Congratulations to my fellow Democrats

[WildCat]

pimp my Yugo.

i hope you are wrong.

I had no idea there were Yugos still on the road...

 

[Unabogie]

From an ultra-partisan my way or the highway approach. They had to use reconciliation, and with 34 democrats voting no, along side the entire Republican Party being against the content of the legislation it got passed with single digit margins, in leeway of unfavorable public opinion.

This is factually incorrect. The Senate bill passed by super majority and the House approved it in regular order. The budget reconciliation rules are being used to pass fixes to the law that was signed by President Obama this morning. That process is separate from the law signed today.

 

[WildCat]

on the contrary, no one is gonna wanna touch health-care for another ten years. maybe an adjustment here and there, but more major reforms?

I think not.

If nothing more is done I predict that in 10 years the percentage of uninsured Americans will be double what it is today.

Health care costs (which this bill does nothing to address) are spiraling way out of control, if nothing more is done disaster will result.

 

[WildCat]

Makes sense I suppose...
The single payer system would have been impossible to pass in the current political atmosphere, and Obama along with the members in congress that support him knew it full well (heck the current bill barely passed).

Ironically, it appears to be the GOP that will push us towards single-payer. They're the ones claiming that forcing everyone to buy health insurance is unconstitutional, if the courts agree (not likely) single payer would be the only option.

 

[WildCat]

This bill will cover 95% of the population and 32 million people.

Want to bet? Will you still be around here in 2015?

 

[Wowbagger]

I got a question: Some folks are objecting to the bill, because of "special deals" that were in it. Can someone give me some examples of these "special deals"? (The ones making the accusations don't seem to be giving any.)

 

[thaiboxerken]

I got a question: Some folks are objecting to the bill, because of "special deals" that were in it. Can someone give me some examples of these "special deals"? (The ones making the accusations don't seem to be giving any.)

Louisiana received subsidies.
I think Nebraska did as well.
A few other states received a special deal as well.

However, I think these deals are on the plate to be cut out.

 

[Unabogie]

Want to bet? Will you still be around here in 2015?

None of us knows if we'll be around here in five years, but the closest we have in this country to a pilot program, Mitt Romneys' version in Massachusetts, currently covers 97%.

http://public-healthcare-issues.sui...7-insured-under-massachusetts-health-care-law

 

[Foster Zygote]

Sounds like the Dems had some heavy influence from the dental/vision lobbyists. These are affordable services without coverage.

Ever had to get braces for your kid or had cataracts?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

None of us knows if we'll be around here in five years, but the closest we have in this country to a pilot program, Mitt Romneys' version in Massachusetts, currently covers 97%.

http://public-healthcare-issues.sui...7-insured-under-massachusetts-health-care-law

That one's certainly working swell....

 

[Unabogie]

That one's certainly working swell....

You do realize that group is advocating single payer, right? Are you on board with single payer now?

 

[corplinx]

Ever had to get braces for your kid or had cataracts?

I wasn't aware that the cosmetic arrangement of your teeth was a health issue. You sound like the kind of person easily swayed into supporting this bill.

Yes, I've had contacts. Pretty cheap from Costco.

Contacts are very affordable for something that isn't a necessity for most people.

 

[rdaneel]

Ever had to get braces for your kid or had cataracts?

Yes, I've had contacts. Pretty cheap from Costco.

Well you may want to put those contacts in and look at that word again.

 

[corplinx]

Well you may want to put those contacts in and look at that word again.

I shouldn't have bought the disposables.....

 

[Grizzly Bear]

You do realize that group is advocating single payer, right? Are you on board with single payer now?

I tend not to care what the other party openly supports as long as the content of the research is reasonably accurate. Is there a reason I should shoot the article down based entirely on the idea that they support a policy I oppose?

 

[shuize]

The Dutch did a few years ago what should have been done here: they completely scrapped their former health care system and built a new one from scratch. Prior to this they had a UK-style single-payer system.

What system do the Dutch use now?

 

[Meadmaker]

Well no one who opposed the new law took up unabogie's question, and I don't think anyone will take up mine, either. Of course, there's a reason for that. No one wants to acknowledge that there are people without insurance, but they still need health care or they will die, and the sort of health care that's needed for catastrophic cases simply cannot be paid for by any but the most wealthy Americans, and by "most wealthy", I mean multimillionaires and up.

So that's why we have this new law. Under the new law, that won't happen, or at least it will happen a lot less often.

I think if the Republicans would just acknowledge that reality and accept that the government has to do something to take care of that problem, they could get around to making a better bill than the one that was just passed.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

I wasn't aware that the cosmetic arrangement of your teeth was a health issue.

They aren't always cosmetic (Mine weren't).

 

[Unabogie]

Well no one who opposed the new law took up unabogie's question, and I don't think anyone will take up mine, either. Of course, there's a reason for that. No one wants to acknowledge that there are people without insurance, but they still need health care or they will die, and the sort of health care that's needed for catastrophic cases simply cannot be paid for by any but the most wealthy Americans, and by "most wealthy", I mean multimillionaires and up.

So that's why we have this new law. Under the new law, that won't happen, or at least it will happen a lot less often.

I think if the Republicans would just acknowledge that reality and accept that the government has to do something to take care of that problem, they could get around to making a better bill than the one that was just passed.

Amazing, isn't it? I asked it again and again and no one wanted to tackle it. Wild Cat didn't want to answer, but he's not against helping the poor, just against this plan in particular. I totally respect that and probably agree with him. But for those who oppose "government health care", none of them will answer.

 

[Minadin]

Throw the bums out.