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That's fine, though, because 85 pages ago somebody came up with nothing, and thinks that the holocaust is disproven. Par for the course, I suppose.
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That's fine, though, because 85 pages ago somebody came up with nothing, and thinks that the holocaust is disproven. Par for the course, I suppose.
Your wait is about to be over, you're just one click away ..... I'd post the pic but it would be deleted, you can see it here ...
http://www.newp.org/holohoax201/
It's a photo of the document released by the US War Refugee Board (WRB) which is the basis of the hoax, it is a report allegedly written by two anonymous camp survivors and was provided to the WRB by the World Jewish Congress. The report itself is pure phantasmagoria without a shred of evidence to support it. The WRB issued it on the sole authority of one of the three directors, the Zionist Henry Morgenthau.
There is a video of a David Irving lecture where he discusses this report and how it was issued .... let's find it ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cMoVAf05WQ
If you watch the Irving video you'll see that the document was issued on the sole authority of Henry Morgenthau. It was not reviewed by the War Refugee Board and the other two directors did not even know of its existence. There was no reason whatever to believe it was true other than the word of Zionists, which is worse than worthless. The document was supposedly written by two Slovak Jews but no original has ever been produced.
Further, if you visit the website with the picture linked in my previous post, you'll see that the other branches of the government thought that the extermination rumors were a hoax. That is, the anonymous report from the World Jewish Congress became the basis of US policy based on the actions of one man, Henry Morgenthau.
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It isn't a universally acknowledged truth that the word of Zionists is "worse than worthless". I don't think many people posting here will share your opinion on that.
Besides, Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzlar had also, previous to their report being sent to Washington, been interviewed by a member of the Bratislava Papal Nunciature who found their story "thoroughly convincing". That's at least one person very unlikely to be a "Zionist" who suppoted their account.
Are you questioning the existence of Vrba and Wetzlar, or the fact that they wrote this report? Vrba went on to give interviews and write a memoir about his experience of Auschwitz, and appeared as a witness in the Frankfurt Auschwitz trials and in Zündel's trial. If he never wrote this report, he certainly made an effort to stick to a lie to the end of his life.
Listening to Irving saying "There are only English and German versions of the document. Where is the Slovak version?!" just made me feel embarrassed for him. There didn't necessarily have to be a Slovak version. Vrba and Wetzlar could have written their report in German -- for Slovakian Jews German could have been their first language, or at least a second language they were fluent in. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberlander_Jews )
But even if the Vrba-Wetzlar report was completely made up, I don't see how the War Refugee Board document you linked to would be evidence that the Holocaust is a hoax.
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It's known (I think) as the Vrba-Wetzlar report now, at the time they were 'anonymous'.
Here is where you have to clarify your thinking, there are two separate subjects,
1. what really happened during WW II in the camps, etc.
2. the creation of the hoax that Jews were being exterminated in the camps
Topic 1 - So, we can review the evidence of what really happened in the camps, and there is no shortage. Of course none of it save 'testimony' supports the extermination of Jews. So there unlimited physical evidence and documentary evidence showing that the was no extermination of the Jews. But that is not what I am demonstrating now.
Then there is topic 2 - why does every believe that the Jews were exterminated? This is a separate topic and it is what I am demonstrating now.. and there is again no shortage of evidence, a hoax was created using documents like the Vrba-Wexler report. It is direct evidence of the hoax. This IS the hoax. That is what a hoax is, bogus documents, phony testimony, etc. Then, endless propaganda. Endless legal proceedings, prosecutions, etc. And, we see how Zionists operating independently of the rest of the US govt. engineered the hoax - the Vrba-Wexler being the culmination of years of effort and a major victory for the Zionists. We can see the actual construction of the hoax and how it became the basis of US policy. Then you can proceed to the Nuremberg trials, where Zionists controlling the War Refugee Board and the War Crimes Branch, offices in the US govt, determined US policy in the trials and perpetrated the hoax. This is all done, naming names, etc., in Butz's book 'The Hoax of the Twentieth Century'.
Look at it this way - in the US govt you had the military, military intelligence with innumerable contacts on the gound, overflights, contacts with other militaries, you had the state department with its unlimited contacts, etc., etc, and these people thought the holocaust was a hoax, as evidenced by all the evidence including the communication shown on the page previously linked. Then you had this small Zionist office in the govt issuing a report with no evidence whatever, and that document became the basis of US policy. At that point the hoax gained enormous credibility, it became 'true' based on the authority of the US govt, with absolutely no evidence. See?
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No. Moss asked for "document/photo of undeniable authenticity that proves there was a Jewish conspiracy to fake the holocaust", not for a fake document about the Holocaust.
And a link to a Youtube video of David Irving saying he believes a document is fake is not evidence that the document is fake.
???? LOL .... if it's authentic it's not a fake, and if it's a fake it's not authentic, so, you want an authentic fake ...... nice !
This is an authentic document which proves the hoax, indeed, it IS the hoax.
If you want fake physical evidence, we've got that too. How about fake testimony? Got plenty of that. That is DIRECT evidence of a hoax. How about a fake photo ...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/Holocaust/o19.jpg
There is no shortage of photos/documents/testimony that proves the hoax.
How about some fake physical evidence ...
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/auschwitzscrapbook/2005Photos/GasChamberChimney.jpg
Fake testimony ......
Weisel - 'Babies were thrown into the air and used as targets by machine gunners'.
The holocaust hoax is crude, ridiculous, and degenerate beyond imagination.
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dudalb
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I have no idea why, but I am getting the impression that Saggy has "issues" with the Jews.....
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Just had Elie Weisel on the 'phone Saggy. He says if you don't stop stalking him, he's gonna seek a court injunction. I mean, quoting him every other post is one thing, but dude, keep out of his bins.
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Those Zionists are really impressive. They fake evidence for an official US body, and this hoax is so well made that not only do the US, the UK and the Allies believe it, but thousands of SS men who were at the camps also end up believing it!
Do you think the Zionists managed to do this via mind rays, Saggy? I mean, it's pretty impressive that they managed to convince people to lie about their part in the holocaust, knowing it'll get them executed.
Do you think the Zionists managed to do this via mind rays, Saggy? I mean, it's pretty impressive that they managed to convince people to lie about their part in the holocaust, knowing it'll get them executed.
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I have no idea how you interpreted my words to mean that I want an authenthic fake.
Let me try again.
1. You seem to think you have posted proof that the Vrba/Wetzlar report is fake. You haven't. The youtube video just shows David Irving's opinion that it's fake.
2. David Irving's opinion on this isn't worth very much, because it's at least partly based on his own ignorance about the history of European Jews and Central Europe in general (I'm referring to his belief that there should have been an original in Slovakian)
3. Most importantly, the existence of a false testimony about an event doesn't mean that the event is a hoax. I'm sure there are some false testimonies about the war in Iraq, hurricane Katrina or the fall of the Berlin wall, but these events are still real.
It's not that some of the testimony is false, it's that all of it is. You think that there are many credible eyewitnesses to the holocaust. That's not the case ... Yehuda Bauer writes in the foreword to the book "Eyewitness Auschwitz" by Filip Muller -
"Filip Mueller's book is a unique document indeed - it is the testimony on the only man who saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell what he saw"
Baurer is the director of Yad Vashem, so, he can identify only one credible eyewitness. If you read the book, you'll see that the idiotic whoppers that Mueller tells make Wiesel look like a Boy Scout.
Back to Wiesel - he is not just 'any' eyewitness, he is the 'conscience of the Jews', the most celebrated eyewitness, he won the Nobel prize, the was the first director of the USHMM, and he wrote ....
"Babies were thrown into the air and used as targets by the machine gunners."
The fact that the foremost authority on the holocaust and spokesman for the survivors is an obvious degenerate liar does mean that the holocaust is a hoax.
Visit his web site - you'll see that he sponsors and 'ethics prize' that student's compete for. How freaking absurd can it get?
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I can see that you believe that. Can you prove it?
Bauer's words don't mean that Mueller is the only witness to the Holocaust. Mueller was in a rare position in which he could see the actual deaths because he was a Sonderkommando and it was his duty to carry the corpses to the crematorium. But numerous prisoners were able to witness the whole picture: trains constantly arriving at Auschwitz full of Jews and leaving empty, groups of prisoners constantly being taken into the Crematorium buildings and never coming out, the smell of burnt flesh from the chimneys.
Why do you keep repeating that Wiesel quote? Do you think it is an obvious lie because it's physically impossible, or because you believe Nazi soldiers were incapable of cruelty to babies?
Besides, Wiesel's "Night" is very obviously a novelisation of true events. He may be regarded as a spokesman for the survivors, but nobody claims that he is "the foremost authority on the holocaust".
Because it is degenerate phantasmagoria, and it is the holocaust in a nutshell.
Moreover, I have not seen one Jew denounce that lie. The Nazis, the Germans, the Christians, and the Europeans, have been continuously slandered by degenerates like Wiesel, without a word of condemnation from anyone. I'm here to condemn it.
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Well, Saggy is a one adjective pony. No evidence of a widespread conspiracy, nothing more than a few things he objects to on the assumption "it's a big lie so there can be no evidence". That's the sum total of holocaust denial. "It can't have happened therefore there can be no evidence therefore it can't have happened."
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Well, this thread is obviously a farce, but perhaps I can add one story to the mountains of evidence already offered:
My Grandfather had the flu on June 6, 1944. He therefore stayed in camp while the rest of his unit croweded into boats and sailed to Normandy.
His life was spared that day giving him the pleasure of being alive to liberate concentration camps. After he missed D-Day, he got to march up and down the beach trying to identify and tag the dead bodies. He said that experience was nothing compared to seeing hundreds of skeletal prisoners barely clinging to life inside the German run camps. He shoveled, buried, and burned countless bodies, and spent the rest of his life tortured by why he witnessed.
What's the argument there? That he was told to lie about that? He never told my grandmother about it, never told my mother, he only shared it with me because I was asking about his service (he had a box full of medals but never explained what he did to get them) and it came out.
Additionally, I've talked to a number of people who served with my Grandfather and they offered the same stories, some even had pictures.
But I suppose they're lying or somehow unable to serve as appropriate witnesses. Notice that the eye-witness reports are not used to confirm some difficult detail. Just a broad experience, the sort of thing its actually useful for.
My Grandfather had the flu on June 6, 1944. He therefore stayed in camp while the rest of his unit croweded into boats and sailed to Normandy.
His life was spared that day giving him the pleasure of being alive to liberate concentration camps. After he missed D-Day, he got to march up and down the beach trying to identify and tag the dead bodies. He said that experience was nothing compared to seeing hundreds of skeletal prisoners barely clinging to life inside the German run camps. He shoveled, buried, and burned countless bodies, and spent the rest of his life tortured by why he witnessed.
What's the argument there? That he was told to lie about that? He never told my grandmother about it, never told my mother, he only shared it with me because I was asking about his service (he had a box full of medals but never explained what he did to get them) and it came out.
Additionally, I've talked to a number of people who served with my Grandfather and they offered the same stories, some even had pictures.
But I suppose they're lying or somehow unable to serve as appropriate witnesses. Notice that the eye-witness reports are not used to confirm some difficult detail. Just a broad experience, the sort of thing its actually useful for.
The argument is simple, these people died at the end of the war due to typhus. It's as if the Japanese in the Ca camps had died from a typhus epidemic. It is not evidence of the holocaust. The Nazis didn't try to exterminate the Jews, they put them in camps. The US didn't try to exterminate the Japanese, they put them in camps.
Can you understand the difference?
Of course the Zionists used the photos of the dead and dying in the camps as evidence of the holocaust, that is, that the Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews.
We've all seen the photos over and over. There are other photos taken in the camps we haven't seen .... like ...
http://www.wgvu.org/home/Surviving_Auschwitz/Surviving%20Auschwitz%20-%20Children.jpg
and ...
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauMemorial/Liberation04.jpg
Do you understand why you have not seen these photos before now?
To read about the typhus epidemic that killed 35,000 at Belsen see ...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-25-holocaust-archive_x.htm
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