Continuation - The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

[kitakaze]

Any details on this show? Radio, TV, sasquatch related?

Sorry, Wolf. I was referring to a musical performance. The "behind the decks" thing under my location to the left there is a reference to my work as a professional DJ.

 

[kitakaze]

And yet, ironically, he knows exactly how the costume was constructed, and is positive it couldn't possibly have stunk, lol.

The stink thing will be explained in the big fat post I'm writing about my coversation with Heironimus today. I'll tell you right now that we discussed the stink thing and he wasn't talking about the whole suit being stinky. Greg Long simply never found point interesting and never pressed Bob for detail.

 

[wolftrax]

Looking forward to seeing the pics of Titmus's casts and the inconsistencies, know you have a lot on your plate..

 

[kitakaze]

I see you're still unable to show where the error is, in the upper-arm comparison I posted above, kitz.

Let's make a trade. Answer the questions of mine you've been so comically and blatantly trying to run from and I'll post about anything you want. There is nothing you could ask me that I would refuse. Let's do this. I'll post showing where your errors are and you will answer the important questions about Bob I have. Fair trade. I'll even go first. All you have to do is agree to promise to address those questions. That way, if you back out after I've gone over your scribbles, everyone will say "Holy crap, what a lying son of a something something."

Let's have an honest conversation, Sweaty. You think your points are important. I think my points are important. So what do you say?

But, I'm really glad to hear that someone let the guy know about the rug in the freezer. Imagine how the poor lad must have felt, going on live TV, and announcing to the whole entire world that he saw the BIGFOOT up close, and it was REALLY REAL.... ....only to find out later, that it wasn't. Gee whiz, that must have been one special piece of rug...to fool Tom, like that!!

Hey, I'm not making any excuses for Biscardi. I have no doubt he knew the thing was a fake from the start. He's Barnum & Bailey. I said he's a riot, not a priest.

I'm glad you got to talk to him....he's invaluable!

No, what would be the value of talking to someone who knew Roger Patterson and knows Pat Patterson now, as well as Bob Heironimus?

HA HA HA HA HA...

Sweaty, just wanted to get a barometer for your thoughts on this. Is the type of response of yours there I quoted... now would that be an appropriate reaction to someone who thought the IMAX DVD showed a Bigfoot hunting caribou on the open tundra with nary a tree in sight?

 

[Vortigern99]

I see you're still unable to show where the error is, in the upper-arm comparison I posted above, kitz.

Sweaty, are you incapable of grasping that the head moves up and down on a vertical axis? That the elbow joint can remain fixed while the head moves up or down? That the eyeline is entrenched in the mass of the head? That a face-mask will distort where the apparent eyeline is? That a suit would distort or even obscure entirely where the apparent limb joints are? That differences in camera and developing lenses, horizon line, degree of foreshortening, and degree of digital "squashing" or lengthening combine to render valueless all comparisons that fail to take these differences into account?

 

[kitakaze]

Looking forward to seeing the pics of Titmus's casts and the inconsistencies, know you have a lot on your plate..

I can get you started now. You google "Titmus casts", click "images", ignore all the pictures of Abi Titmuss' boobs, and click on the first JREF link. That will be page 403 of the 411 PGF and should be a start...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4045704

Michael Dennett's article about the physical impossibility of an animal that size with big flat feet making those impressions is a must read, as well. Apparently Patty was made of pure lead.

 

[kitakaze]

Part Two - Talking With Bob Heironimus Part Two:

I called Bob today at 4:30 in the afternoon just after leaving a message on Tom Biscard's cell. I grabbed my notebook, reviewed the questions and issues I wanted to discuss with him and tried to refocus myself mentally after having prepped myself for my conversation with Biscardi. When I had called Tom, I was anticipating possible icy treatment and wanted to be quick on my toes. I was determined that when I spoke with Heironimus for the second time, I would establish an understanding between us and build the framework for a good connection. I wanted to dispel any notion of me being any kind of producer or writer that wanted to stick a mic or camera in Bob's face for fifteen minutes, do a fluff piece, and move on.

I wanted Bob to think of me as his ardent supporter and voice to all the people that had an interest in Bigfoot and the PGF. I genuinely liked Bob. He reminded me of my grandfather I had just lost last year. He was down to Earth, a devoted family man, and an experienced outdoors man. He is the type of person who took his values and his word seriously.

I picked up the phone, dialed a giant string of numbers, and hoped for Bob to be home. Bob answered the phone and I said hello and told him that I was calling to touch base on what we had spoken about before as I mentioned in the message I left yesterday. I asked him if he was available to talk and he said yes. I asked him how the weather was down there in Yakima to which he replied "It's 51° today!" I quickly tried to figure out what 51° was in celsius, failed and simply replied with "Wow!" I told him it was gorgeous in Victoria with all the cherry blossoms and asked him if he had ever come to Vancouver Island. He replied "Oh yeah. 1970 when I got married (to his wife, Glenda) we came up to Vancouver, saw Stanley Park and then came over to the Island. Beautiful city there. We saw the Butchart Gardens. Then we went over to Port Angeles (Washington) and down through Spokane back to Yakima." I said the Butchart Gardens were beautiful this time of year. Bob said that he had just happened to be watching a show on Bigfoot on Vancouver Island on the History Channel. I told him that we don't get the History Channel on regular cable in Canada and have the History Network instead.

I said to Bob, "Bob, I just wanted to tell you how excited I am to be finally speaking with you after writing about you for so long. It's been an uphill battle with so many people dismissing you as some random, crazy liar or psycho. People saying it was impossible to be a human, impossible to be you, your body couldn't fit." He chortled and said he was glad to hear that (the me being excited, I mean. Not the people dismissing him as a random, crazy liar). I went on and made my position clear. "I want you to know that after all the research I've done in the last five years and particularly in the last few weeks, I have become absolutely certain, without any doubt whatsoever that you were telling the truth about being the man in the PGF suit."

"Of course I am! Everybody 'round here knows that!" he replied. I laughed at that. I went on, "You know, Bob, one thing that blew me away just the other day was something I had not known until now. I'm embarrassed to say this, but I've never read Greg Long's book until now. I've been in Japan for about six or seven years. They didn't have it in any book stores in Tokyo and I never ordered it. Anyway, I went to the library here in Victoria and picked it up and started reading it after I got your number. I had no idea that when Greg Long first approached you that you denied any involvement with the film that Roger was shooting at South Fork and then denied being the man in the suit." "You were trying to protect Roger!" I exclaimed. Bob gave a little chuckle and said, "Yeah, I tried to scare him off a few times when he first came 'round here. That all changed, though, when I saw that World's Greatest Hoaxes show saying that other guy was the Bigfoot."

"Yes," I said, "I saw that when it was first aired. They said it was a guy Garry Romney." Close but not quite. The man was an ANE insurance agent named Jerry Romney in Salt Lake City, Utah. ANE (American National Enterprises) was a film distribution company that bought the rights to Patterson's film.

Here's the show...



I always remember that as being narrated by Jonathan "Riker" Frakes, but it was Lance Henriksen, "Bishop" from James Cameron's Aliens. I got it mixed up. Frakes did Fox's Alien Autopsy: Fact Or Fiction? aired in 1995. Ironically, Henriksen went on to do 3 different Bigfoot movies in the 2000's. 2002's Untold and Abominable and Sasquatch Mountain in 2006.

After I mentioned Romney's name Bob exlaimed, "And he denied being the one!" "I know," I said. "What were they thinking?" Bob continued on about his confession. "Anyway, I just got fed up at that point. Everybody's making money off this thing and I never got payed." I responded, "I know. This film has made a lot of money over the last 40 years. Millions. TV, documentaries, Sony commercials, Cadbury's commercials. And who's getting the money? It's certainly not you." Bob answered, "Pat Patterson. She's the one getting the money. All I've ever gotten is a few buck for a couple interviews here and there." I figured it was time to let Bob know exactly what my angle in this thing was...

"Bob, that's one of the things I want to talk to about and I've been putting a lot of thought into. See, I'm just one guy. Just an indepedent researcher that's been looking into this thing for a long time and writing about it on the internet. I'm not a production company. I'm one person who wants the truth to be known and wants to see you vindicated for all the crap you've taken from the Bigfoot enthusiasts calling you a liar. Bob Gimlin is out there doing Bigfoot conferences telling people it was only him and Roger out there at Bluff Creek and that it was a real creature they filmed."

"Yeah, 'creature.' He only ever says 'the creature,'" Bob said. I went on, "Yeah, and he's at these things surrounded by these Bigfoot enthusiasts who would never dare ask him a hard question. Never anything like, 'Hey, Mr. Gimlin can you tell us about who's horse you had out there at Bluff Creek?' He's out there at these things saying you're just some random guy making things up, like you're just some random nut out of nowhere." Bob the said to me, "Well, I don't know if I've ever heard Bob come right out and say I am a liar." I quickly answered back, "Well, that's the thing Bob. He is out there saying you're a liar, whether he uses the word or not. I remember, I listened to an audio recording of Bob Gimlin at a Bigfoot conference. It was in Washington or Oregon. I can't remember exactly where right now, but someone asked him about you like as if they were sorry to even bring it up. Bob answered saying 'Yeah, I know about him. I don't know why people make up things they know isn't true. Maybe for money, I don't know. All I know is I don't want to say anything bad about another person, so I'll just leave it at that.' And all these Bigfooter people just eat it right up like he's a saint."

Now, at this point I should clarify about this Gimlin recording I spoke with Heironimus about. The recording was on youtube in two parts at one time titled "Bob Gimlin Q&A" but has since been removed. I posted about this recording at Melissa Hovey's Search For Bigfoot forum before I was banned there. Luckily, even though the video is gone, thank my lucky stars, I transcribed the relevant portions of the audio in my post there.

Here's the post from April 30th, 2009...

http://searchforbigfoot.org/index.php?showtopic=1137&view=findpost&p=13040

And here's my transcription of Gimlin speaking about Bob...

We know that he got sick of not getting paid in 1975 enough to sue Patricia Patterson. Too bad neither of them will talk about how much the out-of-court settlement was. The point is that there are very good reasons to ask Gimlin hard questions. I have heard a recording of Gimlin at a Bigfoot conference where he is wooing the crowd with how much he appreciates them and fielding questions. I've been hearing that people like Melissa and Kathy have spoken at length with Gimlin and have even discussed Heironimus but in lieu of specifics it kind of leaves us hanging about what the exchanges were like. What we need is an exchange where someone is asking Gimlin about Heironimus and we can listen to it with a critical ear. Well, you're in for a treat because it just so happens that I have just such a recording here. Here is a January 26th, 2008 recording of Bob Gimlin answering questions from Bigfoot enthusiasts at at the Washington State Capital Museum program on "Giants in the Mountains: The Search for Sasquatch". Somebody asks him about Bob Heironimus and he just kind of brushes it off. It's like the woman is annoyed she even has to ask and makes a point that she's going to believe whatever Gimlin tells her.

Female Bigfoot enthusiast: "There's a man... I don't remember his last name."

Bob Gimlin: "Heironimus."

FBE: "Yes, exactly. That claims he was the man in the suit. I don't buy his story but I just wondered what his thoughts are on him."

BG: "Well, thank you very much. Uh... I don't ever wanna try to put somebody down that's just trying to make a few bucks on the film. But, the bottom line is some think he was... I think he was... He was conned into something, I believe. That's my belief. I dunno. I know Bob Heironimus real well. I've know him for quite a few years. Uh... He's like a lot of people if he thinks he's gonna be famous and make some money. (inaudible)...things, I think. But other than that, I don't wanna say anything bad about Bob Heironimus. All I can tell you is there was no one down in Bluff Creek at that time except Roger and I."

So what Gimlin actually suggested is that Heironimus was doing it for money and was conned into making the claim by someone else. What the heck is he talking about? Who conned Heironimus? Who made him go to an attorney after he saw World's Greatet Hoaxes in 1999. He tried protecting Patterson and Gimlin's ass when Greg Long first came to him. He wasn't conned into anything and Gimlin knows it.

After I mentioned the recordings of Gimlin calling Heironimus a liar I pressed on with my case. "So, Bob, what I want is for you to be vidicated. I want people to know that you're no liar. I want the people of the Bigfoot world to know the same as the people of Yakima do, that you really were the man in the suit. Now as I said, I'm just one man, but I have many things on my side to help you. As a music producer and performer, I have many media connections. All the research on the Bigfoot phenomenon and the writing I've done on the internet have also given me many connections. I've been thinking about this a lot since we last spoke, thinking about ideas how I could help you. Me coming down to Yakima and recording you for fifteen minutes saying the same things you've said before isn't going to help anything. People will just blow it off like they have been for the last five or so years since Greg Long's book came out. What I want to do is take this thing by the horns while the principle people such as yourself are still around. Everything's just a loose jumble of plans in my head right now, but I'm envisioning doing this as some sort of media project. Whether it's a book or a short documentary film, I don't know yet."

"Yeah, well, Greg Long tried that already with his book there and that didn't turn out to well," Bob replied. "Yeah, you're right about that," I said. "Greg Long's book didn't accomplish what he set out to do. But you know, I don't think it was about what he uncovered, but more the way he delivered it. Right since the beginning when that book came out there was this enmity created between Long and Bigfoot enthusiasts. He kind of shot himself in the foot by getting into these heated wars with people who were supporting and holding onto the film. In the end they just kind of threw out the baby with the bath water."

"What I want to do is find a way where the truth can find its own way out without having to pick a side and come out slugging. There has to be some way to do that. Here's the thing, Bob; we're looking at about 42 years since the film came out and six since Long's book came out, and this thing is still going on and on, no stop. There's Gimlin saying what they filmed was no man, something real. And there's you saying you were in the suit. You both have a story and say it's the truth. People want to know the truth. This is where our advantage is. In there is a way to put all the cards on the table and finally get you the recognition and the return you deserve from what this film became. Real or not, it's a part of our culture now."

"What about getting you to at a table together? I mean, come on. You guys live nine doors apart! He's you're friend. There has to be some way to make this happen. What do you think?"

"Oh, I don't think Bob would ever go for something like that," Bob said. I knew he was right. Gimlin is never going to get anywhere near Heironimus and a camera. I had to know more, though, at least about what we had heard before. "Bob, there's this thing we've discussed many times on the internet before, about you talking with Gimlin. The story goes that you approached him and said that you were coming clean and asked him to do so as well. It's said that Gimlin refused you. Is there any truth to that or is that just a rumour?"

"Oh yeah, that's true," Bob said to me. "Yeah, he said he just couldn't do it. He said he'd being lying for so long and he couldn't give it up now. He said he had to stay safe." Stay safe I thought. Absolutely. Safe in his life, his marriage, his integrity. There was simply no way Gimlin was ever going to confess. Not unless it could be made to happen in some way. I could practically hear the gears in my head whirring away trying to come up with something. Damn it! I thought to myself. There has to be some way. I knew Bob was telling me the truth. The truth was plain to see. There it all was in Yakima centered on that one little street, South 90th Avenue. I had to get to it.

OK, everybody. As this post is gargantuan enough already, I'm going to give it a pit stop and get back to my discussions with Bob Heironimus tomorrow. I will pick up it up from where we discussed his polygraphs and claims of Roger also taking and passing a polygraph. I'll discuss the National Geographic Is it Real show that featured Bob heironimus and the PGF. We'll get into the slew of questions I asked Bob and some of the bombshell answers he gave me that are going to completely alter the debates we have been having about this film for years now.

What you will notice is that I have changed my writing style from an internet forum posting style to more of the way I would write if I was doing this as part of a book. I have no idea yet how I am going to proceed with this, but I would like for people to consider this as like a sampler for what a book or script for a short documentary would be like. At some point as I get deeper into this, I know I am going to have to stop posting about everything on the internet, and start compiling it as beginnings of something more formal. I hope people share at least some of the sense of excitement I have in taking this mystery from something we endlessly kick around on internet to something far more interactive. Something where we are no longer confined to quoting quotes or trying to remember who said what. Now I'm in the mix and I intend to really shake things up.

 

[kitakaze]

Tom continued on talking about various projects he had on the go. He said that in between 30 to 60 days he would be revealing Bigfoot DNA. "That sounds very exciting," I said. He mentioned other things that he couldn't tell me because he didn't want to get spooked for his upcoming DVD Bigfoot Lives II. He said, "We're gonna do something big on the PGF for that. We leave it with a big question mark. You know, we don't wanna burst the kids bubbles." We continued to chat and I said I wished him the best of luck in all his efforts searching for Bigfoot. I said, "So Tom, if I ever have anything to ask you about, info on your projects, any advice, can I call you?" Tom answered, "I got you right here on my hip. Call me anytime." We said good-bye.

Just a quick clarification about my post on talking with Tom Biscardi. I meant to write "scooped" instead of "spooked". He said he had things going on that he couldn't talk to me about because he didn't want me scooping him. I said I completely understood and not to worry about it. I wasn't interested in getting into anything trying to find out what Tom's getting ready for promotion now. Well, Bigfoot, anyway. The fact that Tom Biscardi was putting a major Vegas music show did catch me to the left a bit.

 

[William Parcher]

I have learned over the years to rate evidence as follows:

Most reliable - Empirical evidence, testable and repeatable, not dependent on a person's testimony or endorsement to be believed.

generally reliable - physical and photographic evidence that can be studied. Suffice to say, individual pieces of evidence may be altered, but we can at least evaluate the probability and the cost or effort expense in doing so, to factor that into our appraisal of reliability.

Less reliable - personal recollections, where some personal or profit agenda may influence a person's testimony. Usually needs to be appraised with caution and independent verification.

least reliable - personal stories of "I knew a guy who told me. . . ." and similar "hand me down" recollections.

The analysis of the film, including image data in the film, and the material aspects of suit design and construction, and furcloth folding dynamics, are in the first category, most reliable, and the second category, generally reliable.

Personal recollections (like "Gimlin's and Patterson's own words") are in the third category, "less reliable"

Most of the backstory is in the fourth category, "least reliable"

Where does Bob Heironimus' confession get placed in your evidence ratings? Where does Gimlin's "it was a Bigfoot" get placed in your evidence ratings?

If Gimlin were to confess tomorrow, with no physical evidence to prove the hoax (basically the same as BH), where would his confession get placed in your evidence ratings? IOW, do you reject BG's confession because (according to your research of physical evidence) the film does not show a guy in a costume?

Again, since a Gimlin confession would be "in his own words", you would place his confession in the third category (less reliable)?

 

[William Parcher]

Less reliable - personal recollections, where some personal or profit agenda may influence a person's testimony. Usually needs to be appraised with caution and independent verification.

You are being paid for your analysis. You've even mentioned stopping or slowing your analysis because cash flowing to you stopped or slowed. Is this the category of evidence that your own work should be placed? Less reliable because money is involved?

Have you been satisfied with the amount of money Doug Hajicek and others have paid you for your various works in showing that Patty is not a person in a costume? Do you think they should have been paying you more?

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

Let's make a trade. Answer the questions of mine you've been so comically and blatantly trying to run from and I'll post about anything you want. There is nothing you could ask me that I would refuse. Let's do this. I'll post showing where your errors are and you will answer the important questions about Bob I have. Fair trade. I'll even go first. All you have to do is agree to promise to address those questions. That way, if you back out after I've gone over your scribbles, everyone will say "Holy crap, what a lying son of a something something."

Let's have an honest conversation, Sweaty. You think your points are important. I think my points are important. So what do you say?

Look at that...kitakaze NEEDS to 'make a deal' to post his analysis.

Well........I don't! I can post my analysis..........anytime I want.

 

[William Parcher]

Lots of people are investigating Patterson and Gimlin, and have been doing so for 42 years. Most of you in this thread are actively investigating P & G.

You must understand that this is only true in a certain limited sense. Bob Gimlin will not allow himself to be investigated. He refuses interviews. Given the circumstances, this is generally a clear indication that something is wrong. Deeply wrong. A guy claims to film an unusual creature, generally regarded as mythical, and he won't freely talk about it. That is a red flag.

Do you understand the serious problem created by Bob Gimlin and his refusal to cooperate? Does it frustrate you in your search for answers about the PGF, or are you fine with that?

 

[William Parcher]

Yeah its pretty much hearsay.I hope Biscardi isn't lying about it.Another thing is that Biscardi visited Roger Patterson in a hospital in 1970.Roger told Tom it was a hoax.I got this information from the guy on youtube who gave Bob H's phone number.

Biscardi didn't tell me this information.It was ALLENMUSKY a guy on youtube who is friends with Tom Biscardi.Biscardi is also going to make a huge expedition to the PNW.

ALLENMUSKY is the guy who told me this information about Patricia Patterson and Tom Biscardi.Also gave me Bob H's phone number.I hope he is right about it.

Let's hear about this ALLENMUSKY person. Is he a friend of Tom Biscardi? AM gives out the correct phone number for BH but then tells a complete lie about PP?

ALLENMUSKY appears to exist nowhere other than as a YouTube user channel. It's really quite childish. Lucas, I don't see your name anywhere on the web other than JREF. Are you and/or ALLENMUSKY members of any Bigfooter forums?

 

[Avindair]

Excellent interviews so far, Kitz. Looking forward to more.

Avindair

 

[River]

Looking forward to hearing some of your "bombshells" kitakaze. Its nice to see you following through with this.

 

[SweatyYeti]

You must understand that this is only true in a certain limited sense. Bob Gimlin will not allow himself to be investigated. He refuses interviews. Given the circumstances, this is generally a clear indication that something is wrong. Deeply wrong. A guy claims to film an unusual creature, generally regarded as mythical, and he won't freely talk about it. That is a red flag.

Do you understand the serious problem created by Bob Gimlin and his refusal to cooperate?

I don't see Gimlin's reluctance to give interviews as a red flag, at all.

In the scenario where the film shows a real, live "creature"....his disinterest in giving interviews is understandable, given the fact that 'mainstream science'...and the general public, for the most part... have turned their backs on the film, and refused to give it any credence....right from the start.
So, from his point of view, it would simply be a waste of his time, at this point, to try to talk people into accepting the film as legit.

If it wasn't accepted as real, when it was originally viewed on a large movie screen, at it's best quality....then what chance is there now that scientists/general public are going to be convinced, by him just talking?

NONE.



He does associate with people on the 'believing' side of the fence....since that "talk them into believing" factor just isn't there.

 

[William Parcher]

He does associate with people on the 'believing' side of the fence....since that "talk them into believing" factor just isn't there.

Bob Heironimus faces people who think that Patty is real (and that he is a liar). He gets on the radio and answers their questions. Why do you think he does that but the other Bob doesn't?

 

[SweatyYeti]

Bob Heironimus faces people who think that Patty is real (and that he is a liar). He gets on the radio and answers their questions. Why do you think he does that but the other Bob doesn't?

Heironimus does the interviews because he's still making his case...and, he has the benefit of 'general acceptance'....since people, (again, for the most part)....have a pre-judgement, concerning Bigfoot's existence...i.e...."it cannot exist".

Heirony talks....people accept.

(What piece of physical evidence exists, that supports his talk? That would be...not a single thing. )


Bob Gimlin has faced rejection of the film, from scientists, based on their pre-judgement.....and he's smart enough and wise enough to know that he'd simply be wasting his time.

I've read that one of the first scientists to view the film stated that...."it's as hard for me to dismiss the film as a hoax, as it is for me to accept that there is a population of these creatures in North America".

That is a pre-judgement..."these things cannot exist".


Is it wrong for Bob G. to VALUE his time??

 

[Drewbot]

I show him here, sounding like some people i've seen at JREF.

ALLENMUSKY says:
March 8, 2010 at 7:54 pm
@MrApplewood
I know you’re 10 years old my friend so I’ll be nice. The BBC did not spent “tons” of money on the suit. The BBC did a test on the Gait (walk) of the patterson creature, the suit the BBC used was just a ape costume used by the BBC for many years in various television shows. It was NOT a recreation of the Patterson suit.
Obviously you been getting your information from the BFRO, Use your head my friend, just look at the color of the suit, Does it look like a recreation???

Allenmusky appears 3 times here
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...ube_gdata+allenmusky&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJjUt2sXo5o&feature=player_embedded
In the comments of this video

To believe in a living breeding population of thousands of 800 pound monkey men running all over North America going Undiscovered for centuries is just ridiculous....No Conclusive evidence to support it's existence either...Just stupid Folklore and a good Hoax!...case closed!

@komodoman

Yes, That exact seam line on patty is identical to the one on the video "bear vs Gorilla"..same spot, same line, same movement.....Explain that komo?

(Referencing the Bear vs. Gorilla video I posted here a couple weeks ago)

The planet of the Apes costumes had working mouth pieces and facial expressions!....That is Far more advanced than the Patty suit!

If you are supporting YOUR belief of Sasquatch on the patterson footage, you better have something better that the suit theory.

The planet of the Apes coustumes was supposed to look like an intelligent ape form of humans!..Why would hollywood make them look like the patterson costume????

Please tell me ONE costume maker or Hollywood studio that actually made an attempt to duplicate the Patty suit?...

Just because ape suits do look the same sinse, doesn't mean a legitimate attempt has been made.

@TheCasualAssassin

You asked, "what's so unbelievable of a Bipedal Ape man" ???...ARE YOU SERIOUS. Considering not one piece of conclusive evidence proves the existence of a living breeding population of 800 pound monkey men running all over North America going undiscovered for centuries..

Would you like to debate this topic on a more scientific level....Or do you want talk about how we all should be "OPEN MINDED"...let me know?

@TheCasualAssassin

You claim the suit is "So Advanced"....Please explain this??..It's just a hair suit made 40 years ago!.

Is the suit more advanced than the Antikythera Mechanism made 2,200 years ago?..or prehaps something simple like the construction of the Great Pyramids dating back 4,500 years ago?.....We are talking about a hair suit made 40 years ago....Big Deal.

Also, the walk/gait has been Replicated many times, Even Meldrum admits this!

Shortly after Hoaxing the patty footage Roger Patterson started a research group and collected almost $70,000 dollars using his Brother in laws Paving Company as a home office. Roger used all the money for field research to promote and tour the country with his film.

Even after his Hoax footage he was STILL scaming people to give him money.

Beargrass said that.... "Khwit was a living man and his skull PROVES his mother was not a homo sapien"....lol

FOR THE RECORD....Not one bone from "Khwit's mother" has ever been recovered. And if Beargras says Zana was NOT a homo sapien, where is the "PROOF" of this???...

And Beargrass calls us losers.....hahahah

Science looks at evidence and makes a conclusion from it.. NOTHING remarkable has been learned from the Khwit skull.

Zana (believed to be Khwit's mother) died in 1890 and was reported to be a Gigantopithecus ape women. Although Russian scientist for many years have researched this and found NO EVIDENCE to support this.

The Khwit skull has some abnormalities, However is completly human determined by scientist. The skull traits are consistant to Almas tribe where the skull was found.

@Beargrass

You said "even President Roosevelt seen bigfoots"..

I have researched this claim many times and nowhere does he say he seen a bigfoot!.....It's quite Obvious your just spreading lies.....Take it to another channel.

Komodoman, Why read books on bigfoot when they are all written by kooks like Meldrum and Krantz?

I would rather look up actual scientific research on the subject using real sasquatch examples....OH wait, there isn't any...that's right, I keep forgetting it's a mythical monster were talking about here!...

The only site I don't troll on is PostToastie's site. He's not my friend....lol

It seems like he is involved in comments of many PGF videos throughout the web, and he seems to follow someone named Komodoman around.

 

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Here AllenMusky makes a comment as though he talks or knows insider info.
On Deefoot's video comments ironically

deiter, Roger did wan't to make another film hoax shortly after the Bluff Creek hoax but DeAtley talked him out of it. He was afraid it would be to obvious if he caught another on film. Patricia made mention of this to Tom.

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