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Should Peter Sutcliffe be released?

Alt+F4 said:
Sorry for the derail here, but please, someone tell me this CNN story is wrong about the circumstances regarding Thompson and Venables release:



They were given new passports?! They were permitted to travel outside the UK to other countries who had no idea who they are?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/03/03/uk.bulger.venables/index.html
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That would depend on the terms and conditions of their licence, if they have been issued with passports then I think it is safe to assume they can travel outside UK borders.

ETA: Come to think about it may be that they have been issued with passports as a form of ID rather than being allowed to travel outside the UK.
 
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There's nothing in the BBC reports about passports. I'd be astonished if they were given passports. Their terms of release strictly limited where they were allowed to live or even to go, I believe, so why would they have passports?

I suspect the American journalist has jumped to a conclusion that wasn't warranted.

Rolfe.
 
Mr Shaw said when Venables and Thompson are released they will receive new names, National Insurance numbers, birth certificates, NHS medical cards, educational certificates, passports and driving licences. Mr Shaw said the pair would also be subject to life licences by the parole board and the conditions would probably include supervision by a probation officer, the addresses where they must reside and work and where they can travel.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1028110.stm
 
Rolfe said:
There's nothing in the BBC reports about passports. I'd be astonished if they were given passports. Their terms of release strictly limited where they were allowed to live or even to go, I believe, so why would they have passports?

I suspect the American journalist has jumped to a conclusion that wasn't warranted.

Rolfe.
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I've just done a search for this and many sources over quite a few years mention the issuing of passports, if its not true it certainly is reported a lot!
 
Darat said:
That would depend on the terms and conditions of their licence, if they have been issued with passports then I think it is safe to assume they can travel outside UK borders.

ETA: Come to think about it may be that they have been issued with passports as a form of ID rather than being allowed to travel outside the UK.
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I thought the public wasn't allowed to know the terms and conditions of their license? So how did CNN know?

I also thought about as passport as ID, but wouldn't a driver's license suffice?
 
Alt+F4 said:
I thought the public wasn't allowed to know the terms and conditions of their license? So how did CNN know?

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See the article that Professor Yaffle links to above - it would seem to be speculation based on standard procedure.s

Alt+F4 said:
I also thought about as passport as ID, but wouldn't a driver's license suffice?
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Perhaps it' just a belts and braces thing.
 
Darat said:
From what I've read I would be very surprised if Sutcliffe has been play acting for all these years, I would be even more surprised if he was now safe. But I recognise that is a layperson's view and one that is based only on books etc. about his case and imprisonment so I have to say it should be up to the experts to make the determination of whether he should be released or not. The idea of him being released sends a shiver down my spine.
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Who are the experts? Psychiatry is the most subjective and hence unreliable speciality in modern medicine, both in terms of diagnosis and treatment.
 
Darat said:
See the article that Professor Yaffle links to above - it would seem to be speculation based on standard procedure.s
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Ah, I saee what you mean. The text could well be assumption rather than reporting.

A lot of things surprise me, but if they were actually allowed to have passports, that would be another one.

Rolfe.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
Who are the experts? Psychiatry is the most subjective and hence unreliable speciality in modern medicine, both in terms of diagnosis and treatment.
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The experts are the parole board and related services, that I hope (OK I admit I could have added a "naively" in front of that) make use of the best available evidence.
 
The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.

Given that psychiatrists struggle even to define what is wrong with people such as Sutcliffe, who other than a fool would have any confidence they can effectively treat him?
 
Rolfe said:
There's nothing in the BBC reports about passports. I'd be astonished if they were given passports. Their terms of release strictly limited where they were allowed to live or even to go, I believe, so why would they have passports?
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Mostly to allow them to get employment. With the current rules on employing illegal imigrants demanding a passport is pretty common.
 
geni said:
Mostly to allow them to get employment. With the current rules on employing illegal imigrants demanding a passport is pretty common.
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What if you don't have a passport? There must be other ways to prove citizenship to an employeer.
 
Well if the CNN story is correct then it's another example of how crime pays.

Be a law abiding citizen of the UK and you get to pay 77 pounds for your passport, be a child murderer and the government will provide you with one for free.
 
Alt+F4 said:
What if you don't have a passport? There must be other ways to prove citizenship to an employeer.
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There are but it gets messy. Birth certificate diriving license combination will generaly do it but passport is increasingly the standard.
 
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