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What about this crop circle?

A number of off-topic, slightly bickering and pure comedy posts split to this thread. Please post your "humorous" replies there and keep this one for discussion of the topic.
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Toke said:
Oh yea, you are one of those types who will ignore the beauty of the manifestations of collective cosmic non-local mind, and instead admire e.g. a functional vaccine.:D
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Collective cosmic non-local mind.Far out man,are you an acid casualty from the 60's?
 
Tricky; without humor conversation becomes stale and boring.
Please can you clarify what sort of humorous comments are allowed in conversations on this thread?
 
Illusion said:
Tricky; without humor conversation becomes stale and boring.
Please can you clarify what sort of humorous comments are allowed in conversations on this thread?
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If it is on topic and not a personal attack or bickering, it should be fine. But just making a joke about crop circles is not necessarily on topic.
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dafydd said:
Collective cosmic non-local mind.Far out man,are you an acid casualty from the 60's?
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No I am not that old, but you know this kind of thing goes kind of like in circles.














Depending of crop it could be crop circles.
 
Well, since my last post (equal parts humorous and serious) is no longer a part of this thread, allow me to repost the serious portion in case Limbo wasn't around yesterday to see it as I doubt he'll be spending much time in the "Crop Circle Fun" thread:


JohnG said:
Still don't want to discuss my card trick analogy I brought up a couple of days ago, or am I now on ignore?:(
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Stray Cat said:
As the number of circles per year is quite consistent with several factors, public interest in them being one, it follows that the audience is essential for the majority of circlemakers and therefore any interest it gets from researchers is, on the whole welcomed.
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Regards factor one, is that correct? Is there any data to back that claim up Stray Cat? What would the other factors be in your opinion?
 
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Illusion said:
Regards factor one, is that correct? Is there any data to back that claim up Stray Cat? What would the other factors be in your opinion?
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The crop circle connector website keeps a tally of the total number of reported UK crop circles each year and is to my knowledge the most comprehensive database of its kind. Numbers of UK cc's have been consistently around the 70-80 mark for the past few years. Unfortunately I don't have data to hand, archive material being subscription only. Stray Cat I'm sure will have better info.
 
23_Tauri said:
The crop circle connector website keeps a tally of the total number of reported UK crop circles each year and is to my knowledge the most comprehensive database of its kind. Numbers of UK cc's have been consistently around the 70-80 mark for the past few years. Unfortunately I don't have data to hand, archive material being subscription only. Stray Cat I'm sure will have better info.
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My source to date has been the Crop Circle Database which has the benefit of being gathered in a methodical manner since 1993. Here are the results that I have spreadsheeted from that source.

The Connector site has only been running for 6 years

Year | Total
1991 | 44
1992 | 169
1993 | 69
1994 | 135
1995 | 114
1996 | 58
1997 | 82
1998 | 93
1999 | 134
2000 | 118
2001 | 88
2002 | 84
2003 | 79
2004 | 66
2005 | 67
2006 | 49
2007 | 49
2008 | ??
2009 | 73 (connector site)

I now understand that the owner or the CCR site has for the past few years had personal difficulties and as such, reasonably, the information for 2008 and 2009 is rather scant. Paul's site was the reference for most of the newcomers and certainly for UK crop circle proponents. Sadly, I learned recently, he passed away this year.
 
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Thank you for posting the info, EHocking. I wonder if the figures for 2006 and 2007 are correct? From (selective) memory, I thought that there were more.
 
23_Tauri said:
Thank you for posting the info, EHocking. I wonder if the figures for 2006 and 2007 are correct? From (selective) memory, I thought that there were more.
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Well, a quick search of the Crop Circle Archive gives:

Year | Total
2006|57
2007|59
2008|84

The data summarised from my spreadsheet filtered out duplicate reports and circles attributed by the site to be "hoaxes" and poor/rough or wind damage etc - so are only the "genuine" circles listed there.

I have not reviewed the CC Archive data, so have not filtered as I have done for my prime source. Given that, I'm pretty comfortable that the numbers are in the right ball park and therefore indicative of any trends (if you can see any).
 
Illusion said:
Regards factor one, is that correct? Is there any data to back that claim up Stray Cat? What would the other factors be in your opinion?
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There is certainly a small amount of data available that shows that the circles have slight trends in numbers coinciding with significant events.

Here is the data that the late Paul Vigay has on his website, but sadly, it only shows figures for the years 1996 to 2003:

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http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/distribution.html

Factual data is thin on the ground in crop circle researcher world (go figure) but the above totals show that leading up to 1999, there had been an increase in crop circle numbers. What EHocking's figures show are a chaotic period directly after the Doug & Dave revelations in 1991. The 1992 saw a lot of circles made I think partly because the news stories the previous year had inspired some new people to get involved.

With the exception of 1993 (I'd have look up what might account for that lack of circles that year) we see a decline in numbers after the initial boost, starting to rise again in 1996.
1999 sees the top of the cycle (that's the year that Steve Alexandra started producing his Crop Circle yearbook! Not that he'd be going out making them and then photographing them to make money of course) before another decline that turned around in the mid 2000s.

ETA: OK so don't you just hate it when you spend ages trying to gather data and then find out some one else has already presented better stuff?
Thanks EHocking, I've been able to cut my post down a bit now. :)
 
To be fair, I spent quite some time downloading and translating Paul's data to a spreadsheet. Basically to refute Paul's 2001 Foot and Mouth Media Myth article.
We fought that one out on usenet in Feb 2004 and I'm pretty sure there's a thread around here as well - can't seem to find it though.
 
Thank you for that information, but how does it substantiate this claim:

As the number of circles per year is quite consistent with several factors, public interest in them being one
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I'm uncertain as to the correlation between the two.
 
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Illusion said:
Thank you for that information, but how does it substantiate this claim:
I'm uncertain as to the correlation between the two.
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Sorry Illusion, there is no data I can supply that clearly demonstrates a direct correlation. But the history of circles indicates that as interest in circles grows, more people go to look at them, more research gets done which in turn attracts more people. Then a significant event happens or sometimes interest just wains as the new people discover the extent of human circlemaking and leave the scene. Less people visiting and researching leads to less circles being reported.

That's all it is really. Of course there are several factors involved in the trends. Last year we had quite a lot of media exposure as the Jellyfish hit all the national newspapers and caused quite a stir, so this year maybe we'll get more circles than last year, but then again, more farmers cut the designs out last year too so maybe we'll see more circles being made away from Wiltshire this year. Last year also saw a rise in the amount of OSR circles early season (due to the new strain of drawf OSR). Lots of factors involved.
 
Thanks Stray Cat, I understand what you're saying. I'm still looking at these figures, interested in the April trends for Crop Circles.

EHocking; I enjoyed the link you gave above to usenet. Your research and responses are always extremely well thought out and presented.
 
Illusion said:
Thanks Stray Cat, I understand what you're saying. I'm still looking at these figures, interested in the April trends for Crop Circles.
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What sort of trends exactly. I'm rather handy with a pivot table and have all of that data sitting around. Here's one I made previously:

First crop circle of the year, UK*
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* Note, only "genuine" circles as per CCR site interpretation included.
EHocking; I enjoyed the link you gave above to usenet. Your research and responses are always extremely well thought out and presented.
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Thanks for the compliment - I think always might be pushing it though! :)
 
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http://www.facebook.com/cropcircles?ref=nf

If you want a large quantity of Crop Circlers-are-our-brothers-from-space believers.

I went in there all ignorant telling them I thought the page was for those who liked to create crop circles in their spare time. I found out that those that make crop circles are our space-buddies.
 
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