Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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What logical fallacy do I commit when I ask DOC to consider why no current Harvard Law School professor uses the New Testament as a good example for textual evidence concerning factual happenings?

Well for one, it could hurt their career -- see the movie "Expelled" with Ben Stein and see how some people claim there careers were hurt when they talked of or wrote papers about Intelligent Design.

Two, most legal cases don't have anything to do with 2000 year old history.

And correct me if I"m wrong but I thought Greenleaf was simply discussing the authors and evidence of the New Testament and wasn't using it as an example for anything.
 
Well for one, it could hurt their career -- see the movie "Expelled" with Ben Stein and see how some people claim there careers were hurt when they talked of or wrote papers about Intelligent Design.
Why shouldn't promoting baseless nonsense hurt your career?
 
It is about time to dock this at a scrap yard.

Well apologist Ralph Muncaster's book is 605 pages long. And Norman Geisler's is 420 pages. There is still a lot of stuff I could bring in if I ever get the time.

And if you really want get into some deep material read Norman Geilser's Four Volume series "Systematic Theology". Volume 1 of that series is probably the best of the four, although I have just skimmed the other three.
 
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It is about time to dock this at a scrap yard.


Well apologist Ralph Muncaster's book is 605 pages long. And Norman Geisler's is 420 pages. There is still a lot of stuff I could bring in if I ever get the time.

And if you really want get into some deep material read Norman Geilser's Four Volume series "Systematic Theology". Volume 1 of that series is probably the best of the four, although I have just skimmed the other three.


DOC, you will never know how incredibly funny you are.

The only way you could top that post for comedic value is if you attempt a serious response to this one.
 
Well apologist Ralph Muncaster's book is 605 pages long. And Norman Geisler's is 420 pages. There is still a lot of stuff I could bring in if I ever get the time.

And if you really want get into some deep material read Norman Geilser's Four Volume series "Systematic Theology". Volume 1 of that series is probably the best of the four, although I have just skimmed the other three.

DOC, you don't measure depth or quality by page count any more than by post count.
 
Well for one, it could hurt their career -- see the movie "Expelled" with Ben Stein and see how some people claim there careers were hurt when they talked of or wrote papers about Intelligent Design.
Ahh, the great evil conspiracy theory. nice.

I'll leave RottenTomatoes to give the final synopsis on that movie:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/expelled_no_intelligence_allowed/
"Consensus:Full of patronizing, poorly structured arguments, Expelled is a cynical political stunt in the guise of a documentary."

And correct me if I"m wrong but I thought Greenleaf was simply discussing the authors and evidence of the New Testament and wasn't using it as an example for anything.
Have you even bothered to read ANY of waterman's argument or Simon's?
You'll know exactly WHY Greenleaf's comment is rather ill conceived.
 
Well apologist Ralph Muncaster's book is 605 pages long. And Norman Geisler's is 420 pages. There is still a lot of stuff I could bring in if I ever get the time.
That's strange. You would think you would have after all this time, presented more evidence. IF indeed, these books have some.
And if you really want get into some deep material read Norman Geilser's Four Volume series "Systematic Theology". Volume 1 of that series is probably the best of the four, although I have just skimmed the other three.
Why not present the arguments?
 
I've raised this issue before about Geisler, but I figure this thread is all about repetition.
http://books.google.com/books?id=PC...heJS5WbEJbONJCOlJAN&cd=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
"The term "university" is actaully a composite of the words "unity" and "diversity". WHen one attends a university, he is supposed to be guided in the quest to find unity in diversity- namely how all the diverse fields of knowledge(the arts, philosophy, physical sciences, mathematics, etc.) fit together to provide a unified picture of life. Instead of universities, we have pluraversities.."

Yet, we know that university is actually a truncation of
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=university
universitas magistrorum et scholarium, or community of masters and scholars.

This may seem like a small point, but in terms of honesty and scholarship it is huge. The authors who wrote the book that makes that argument have no interest in verifying the claims made. They made what was clearly a fun bit of sophistry, but it has zero relationship to the actual origins of the university. As such, the attempt they made at claiming modern universities have "lost their way" was built upon fiction and air. They lied in the first few pages. WHy shouldn't they lie the rest of the book?
 
Well apologist Ralph Muncaster's book is 605 pages long. And Norman Geisler's is 420 pages. There is still a lot of stuff I could bring in if I ever get the time.

So Ralph's book is 1,44 times better than Geisler's.

And if you really want get into some deep material read Norman Geilser's Four Volume series "Systematic Theology". Volume 1 of that series is probably the best of the four, although I have just skimmed the other three.
But Geisler got a series that beats Ralph's by volumes.

Could you make a short summary of the arguments?
Like a paragraph or two.
 
So Ralph's book is 1,44 times better than Geisler's.


But Geisler got a series that beats Ralph's by volumes.

Could you make a short summary of the arguments?
Like a paragraph or two.

Why so long-winded, when they will fit in a tweet with room to spare?









Apologies to Lothian, who's probably watching the Scots suffering in Rome right now.
 
And correct me if I"m wrong . . .


You haven't read this thread at all, have you DOC?


. . . but I thought Greenleaf was simply discussing the authors and evidence of the New Testament and wasn't using it as an example for anything.
my bolding


Well, we certainly wouldn't want any of that sort of thing going on in this thread, now would we?


Well apologist Ralph Muncaster's book is 605 pages long. And Norman Geisler's is 420 pages. There is still a lot of stuff I could bring in if I ever get the time.


Another [threat of more] no information post.


And if you really want get into some deep material read Norman Geilser's Four Volume series "Systematic Theology".


And if you really want get into some deep material, read Squid Fishing Monthly.

It has pictures and everything, and plumbs depths that Norman Muncaster and Ralph Geisler couldn't begin to imagine.


Volume 1 of that series is probably the best of the four, although I have just skimmed the other three.


Just like you do with this thread, eh DOC?

You really should stop doing that. you know, because you're missing all the best puns.

In fact, now that I think about it, you also seem to be completely missing the fact that this is actually a parody thread to all but yourself.

I sure hope nobody spills the beans.
 
Well for one, it could hurt their career -- see the movie "Expelled" with Ben Stein and see how some people claim there careers were hurt when they talked of or wrote papers about Intelligent Design.

I don't want to brag, but I ****in' called it!

Also; the expelled nonsense has been pretty well exposed for the lies it is (obviously, you always have the option to do as Ben Stein and start with your hypothesis and only accept for the facts that do support it, after all that's how you do all your Biblical scholarship).


Two, most legal cases don't have anything to do with 2000 year old history.

Clearly, but that didn't stop Greenleaf, did it..


And correct me if I"m wrong but I thought Greenleaf was simply discussing the authors and evidence of the New Testament and wasn't using it as an example for anything.

You are wrong but correcting you seems about impossible.
Greenleaf was discussion why we should trust the gospels authors but it is based on his subjective (and more than a little biased) understanding of their personalities as transmitted by the Christian tradition.
He never actually look at other evidences, he never stop to consider that the tradition could be flawed and he certainly never even stop and think that the accounts are so very superficial. The subject of the gospels is not the apostles personality and it takes a lot of projection to think you can understand the character of this alleged historical figures...


Well apologist Ralph Muncaster's book is 605 pages long. And Norman Geisler's is 420 pages. There is still a lot of stuff I could bring in if I ever get the time.

I'll read the whole yellow pages. Clearly, that's where the truth lies...


And if you really want get into some deep material read Norman Geilser's Four Volume series "Systematic Theology". Volume 1 of that series is probably the best of the four, although I have just skimmed the other three.

Heh, considering you can't be bothered to read the article about Greenleaf you linked to, I'd be surprised if you did even that...
 
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In fact, now that I think about it, you also seem to be completely missing the fact that this is actually a parody thread to all but yourself.

I sure hope nobody spills the beans.
Why do you think that I'm not totally convinced that he's not a "reincarnation" of Andy Kaufman? Seriously, can you think of anyone else who would be paitent enough, resourceful enough, and with enough willpower to pull off a prank like this?

I have to believe this to be true because the alternative (that DOC is sincere) is too horrifying a thought.
 
While I don't know exactly what your angle is, I'm inclined to think that sounds pretty reasonable.

Reasonable? Ok, we have a deal. Send money to my bank when you are ready.

The angle/point is that anyone who thinks the N/T writers told the truth, will believe anything, even in Santa Clause. :)
 
Reasonable? Ok, we have a deal. Send money to my bank when you are ready.

The angle/point is that anyone who thinks the N/T writers told the truth, will believe anything, even in Santa Clause. :)

Wait, you mean Santa Clause isn't real either?
 
Oh no, you can't trust him! I on the other hand am an honest man. Now. Can I interest you in this tower I have for sale in the city of Pisa in Italy? It has a very prominent lean to it, otherwise it's in perfect condition. I start the bidding at One million AU.


You gotta be kidding. That's over 15 light years for a second-hand tower with known subsidence problems.
 
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