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Tiger's apology

He didn't preach on how others should live, he never set any moral standards for marriage and fidelity so why the hell is this even an issue?

Under the presumption of a statistically relevant value for the number of golfers who are involved in affairs right now the more pertinent question is why aren't the media digging around for those?

It's clearly not a simple case of the media being moral crusaders is it?
 
I didn't see it, but just hearing about it caused me to lose respect for him.

I'm sorry, this isn't meant as an attack at all, just a request on my part to understand this viewpoint. Maybe it's me, but it did nothing to my respect for him, either gaining or losing.

And this is why: he's an athlete who is successful and talented in his chosen profession and made some bad personal decisions. It's up to his wife and family to decide on how they will hand this, not me.

Since he's never issued some kind of moral code to the world that needs to be stood up to, there's no reason to judge him.

However, if Tiger did something like, for example, Ted Haggard did: Ted set up a moral code, i.e. basically saying that homosexual acts are bad, then participated in homosexual behavior, then I'd have a reason to judge him. In that case, he's being hypocritical.

Tiger never did that. He was a golfer who was tempted by other women, and chose to give into that. To me, that doesn't deserve a loss of respect, certainly no gain of respect, but I'd chalk it up to being human. So would I now not buy something because Tiger promoted it? Is he less of a role model? Personally, I don't think so.

Again, I do not mean to attack or criticize your opinion. I am simply asking why you'd lose respect by merely hearing about him having an affair(s). I want to see understand why.
 
That Mr. Woods believes the entire world needed to hear him apologise for his behaviour makes me think his "addiction" to sex is the least of his psychological problems.

I didn't watch the apology, Ivor. Did he actually say he was a sex addict or addicted to sex? (Just wondering)
 
Since he's never issued some kind of moral code to the world that needs to be stood up to, there's no reason to judge him.

The media have created that narrative irrespective of what he has attempted to do.
 
Probably had more to do with the demand that the incident be addressed than anything. Whether or not it was right, a lot of unrealistic expectations were projected onto him.

He also had his charity organization to protect.

I don't think he had much choice in doing this.

That Mr. Woods believes the entire world needed to hear him apologise for his behaviour makes me think his "addiction" to sex is the least of his psychological problems.

Whoa now. He invited hand picked reporters which he addressed as personal friends, which I have no doubt they were working relationship type friends, after people were hounding him since it happened. Then he allowed no questions. He also basically told the press to **** off and stop hounding his wife and children and focus on him instead. He was pressured into this by the press, and they went so far as to interrupt regularly scheduled programming on several channels to air it live and discuss it after.

I don't think he believes that at all and would rather have been left alone to work it out with his family and therapists and whatnot.
 
What did Tiger Woods do wrong
1. Have sex with many women, while being married
2. Get caught doing the above?

I suggest that it was the second one. The first one many famous people are guilty of.
 
Actually, his apology was simply one step in the program he is in. It has nothing to do with anything else. Nobody here every been through any type of "program"? :o
 
There are some people in this world who ought to have been given their fifteen minutes of fame, after which we really ought to have been spared from ever having to hear from or of them again. I'm growing increasingly convinced that Mr. Woods is one such person.

On the contrary. This is such a huge thing because Woods has deserved a lot of legitimate fame as an incredible athlete. Whether athletes should be so honored is another thing, but certainly Woods would have been just as known if he had never had any affair with anybody.
 
What did Tiger Woods do wrong
1. Have sex with many women, while being married
2. Get caught doing the above?

I suggest that it was the second one. The first one many famous people are guilty of.

Just because many people do it and don't get caught doesn't mean it's OK to do it. He would not have been exposed or humiliated if he had not had been caught, but it would still be wrong.
 
The only reason I can think of about why he apologized is because his sponsors put him up to it.

I dunno.

Woods doesn't need sponsors. While he might want sponsors to add to the billion he has in the bank, there's surely no doubt he and his family could live in the most extreme luxury for the rest of their lives if he never left the front door again. Or if he wanted to play - privately, as it were - he could still make a fortune per year in prize money alone. So it's hard to see that sucking up to sponsors would be such an overwhelming issue when the man's life is seemingly falling apart.

There's something smelling slightly of megalomania about this whole apology malarkey.
 
Just because many people do it and don't get caught doesn't mean it's OK to do it. He would not have been exposed or humiliated if he had not had been caught, but it would still be wrong.

As far as I know it is not illegal. If many famous people do something that society considers wrong then it is about time that society re evaluates what is right and wrong. This should be a matter between him, his wife and his mistresses.

I only hope he practiced safe sex. Otherwise then it becomes the business of the public as he may be spreading infectious diseases.
 
Only two kinds of people make public apologies. Those that need the public's vote or those that need the public's adulation for the purpose of making $$$$.

I have no respect for either.


Agreed. Tiger's rending of garments is a disturbing ritual. It accedes to the notion, and sets a standard due to his status, of public confessional and inapropriate public apologies. I can understand why the press wants to delve into his problems -- afterall, salacious sells. But he shouldn't play along. Tool.
 
So what's the verdict? "The Donald" thinks Tiger should just divorce and resume his past behaviour.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/golf/trump-suggests-tiger-should-party-20100220-om79.html?autostart=1

Many I have heard on talkback are less than impressed with the news conference and Tiger's refusal to take questions. IMO, his wife's absence makes the whole thing a bit hollow. But I hope he gets back to golf soon.


I'm fed up with the whole Tiger bloody Woods malarkey. How is "American sporting celebrity behaves badly" news? Even the ABC reported the "apology" as one of the leading news items on last night's TV bulletin. I mean really!
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Why? Because he's had an affair?

Tiger Woods has earned his fame the old fashioned way: through actual talent and ability, and he hasn't used his fame to soapbox or passing judgment on people or subjects outside of his field. So how doesn't he deserve his fame?


Exactly. Regardless of how overblown this whole scandal is to say "we should be spared from ever having to hear of him again" is just silly. He's not famous because he had affairs. He's famous because he's one of... if not THE... most dominant athlete in the history of his sport, and because he's singlehandedly responsible for a 30% spike in his sports' ratings depending on whether or not he participates.

Personally I think he owes his wife an apology and nobody else, but if he really feels he owes me one my response is "say it with cash" and send me a check. :cool:
 
So what's the verdict? "The Donald" thinks Tiger should just divorce and resume his past behaviour.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/golf/trump-suggests-tiger-should-party-20100220-om79.html?autostart=1

Many I have heard on talkback are less than impressed with the news conference and Tiger's refusal to take questions. IMO, his wife's absence makes the whole thing a bit hollow. But I hope he gets back to golf soon.

He owed the press and the average person NOTHING. He did the desired song and dance and now , hopefully, goes on with his life. People who actually waited with baited breath for all the things like this for whatever reason it brings pleasure to their tiny lives deserve the vague nothings they can afterwards roll around in their sad little brains and discuss with like-minded friends with whom they share nothing but the desire for other people's lives.:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp
 
He doesn't owe his kids an apology? (I'm pretty sure he has kids - no?)

The verdict IMO is he's just another in a long line of dirtbag POSs in pro sports and like them I wish he would move to Tibet or some such for good and we'd never hear from or about him ever again.

Anyone who thinks he's sorry about anything other than getting caught is pathetically naive if not outright clueless.
 
He owed the press and the average person NOTHING. He did the desired song and dance and now , hopefully, goes on with his life. People who actually waited with baited breath for all the things like this for whatever reason it brings pleasure to their tiny lives deserve the vague nothings they can afterwards roll around in their sad little brains and discuss with like-minded friends with whom they share nothing but the desire for other people's lives.:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp

Agreed.

I had an arguement with my father over this, actually. His actual belief is that Tiger was making a negative statement about marriage by cheating and he HAS to apologize in public to show that he was wrong and marriage should be perserved.

My father also used phrases like "sexual addiction" and "has a sickness".

-.-

I have a feeling a lot of people are thinking the same way my father does....
 
My father also used phrases like "sexual addiction" and "has a sickness".


If every guy could score the kind of tail that the rich and famous Tiger Woods can, methinks that this sickness would be widespread.
 

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