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mhaze said:
Close, but no cigar...

British, yes:

Sir John Houghton (1995):
"Unless we announce disasters, no one will listen."

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And so the (manufactured) climate disasters commenced.

Do you side with this type of liar, because you believe his ends are worth his means?
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So global One World Government conspiracy to subjugate Americans' bodily fluids is no longer "a disaster"? Then why do the skeptics keep hanging onto such claims?
 
BenBurch said:
The only issue with Al Gore is that although he meant well, for some reason undecipherable to me the batcrap-crazy wing of the Right here in the USA hates him more than they ever hated Stalin.

So, automatically. anything he says becomes false and anything he does becomes a dastardly plot to destroy civilization.
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RE: Gore -- I wanted to give this AGW thing a fair shot because of friends of mine who believe it, so I rented An Inconvenient Truth and sat down with one such friend to watch it.
Within the first five minutes, Gore made his first Bush-bashing remark. I turned off the movie and put it aside to return it. My friend had the decency to look sheepish.
If Gore isn't listened to by the right, it's his own fault for presenting a decidedly and intentionally anti-conservative rhetoric.
 
BenBurch said:
Well, go get something that isn't guaranteed to be political on this subject and read it.
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I don't really see the need. As far as I'm concerned, AGW is comforting mythology for liberal alarmists. I'm convinced of their dishonesty. I don't feel the need to waste any more of my time.
 
AvalonXQ said:
I don't really see the need. As far as I'm concerned, AGW is comforting mythology for liberal alarmists. I'm convinced of their dishonesty. I don't feel the need to waste any more of my time.
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Wow I've seen Crop Circle believers put up more compelling reasons for holding on to their viewpoint than this.
 
lomiller said:
The problem I have is that you want us to assume he has misstated facts without any evidence to back up your claim. You are asking us to accept a political claim at face value with no supporting evidence. This despite me already having provided links to working climate scientists saying he was reasonably accurate in his representation of the facts.
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If you want to change the subject, fine. There is no doubt that Gore made "outrageous statements that hurt the actual science".

-there is no chance that sea levels will rise 20 feet in the forseeable future.

-the island of Tuvalu is not being swamped by rising sea levels.

-the snows of Mount Kilimanjaro are not melting due to GW.

He made numerous statements like this, always taking worst-case scenarios, to scare people into believing AGW. We don't need that, it only hurts the cause.
 
Tomblvd said:
.....He made numerous statements like this, always taking worst-case scenarios, to scare people into believing AGW. We don't need that, it only hurts the cause.
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Running with the ball tossed by Houghton and Schneider, was he?
 
mhaze: What happened to the ideal to "Be the purveyor of quality, independantly verifiable, information you would like to see coming out of everyone else." ?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5611377#post5611377

Where is the quality, independantly verifiable, evidence that the whole AGW thing must have been a hoax or a scam? (Are misquotes from folks the best you have to offer?)

How do you address the quality, independantly verifiable facts of climatologists, which seem to indicate its reality?
 
BenBurch said:
Hell, I will even drop his name; Dr. Edward Teller. He talked to me about AGW and the need for a renewed nuclear program when I worked at Fermilab in about 1981.
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You should have kept up with Dr. Teller:

Society's emissions of carbon dioxide may or may not turn out to have something significant to do with global warming--the jury is still out. As a scientist, I must stand silent on this issue until it's resolved scientifically. As a citizen, however, I can tell you that I'm entertained by the high political theater that the nation's politicians have engaged in over the last few months. It's wonderful to think that the world is so very wealthy that a single nation--America--can consider spending $100 billion or so each year to address a problem that may not exist--and that, if it does exist, certainly has unknown dimensions.

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Yet if the politics of global warming require that "something must be done" while we still don't know whether anything really needs to be done--let alone what exactly--let us play to our uniquely American strengths in innovation and technology to offset any global warming by the least costly means possible. While scientists continue research into any global climatic effects of greenhouse gases, we ought to study ways to offset any possible ill effects.

http://www.evolutionquebec.com/site/archives/teller.htm


Dr. Teller was also a signatory to the Global Warming Petition Project urging the United States government to reject the Kyoto Protocol, and states in part;

"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse [gases] is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate"
 
Now that it's clear which quote I mean, mhaze, I'll ask again:

Do you have a source for the quote you presented, or do you agree that the quote you presented is inaccurate?
 
I'm not sure why everyone is still debating whether some AGW proponents have embellished the truth. But there are many examples out there:


We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.

- Timothy Wirth
 
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