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Nikola Tesla and You!

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As of late I have been spending some free time playing Fallout 3, and it being an alternate future they take liberties with history and suggest that huge innovations in technology were made based on Tesla technology. I have almost zero working knowledge of electricity, or electronics or the engineering that makes them possible, but as I play I do often wonder how things may have played out.

The question for me is: What would the world have looked like had his inventions taken over the mainstream? Would any of them actually have worked? What was his plan for world domination...you know...being an mad scientist and all?
 
IIRC, Tesla's patents expired decades ago. Anything of his that actually worked would've been usurped at that time and is already in use. This includes AC electricity, AC electric motors, and...ummm.....give me a minute...hmmm.....well...wait, no.....uhhh....

So...yeah. Not much different from today.
 
As of late I have been spending some free time playing Fallout 3, and it being an alternate future they take liberties with history and suggest that huge innovations in technology were made based on Tesla technology. I have almost zero working knowledge of electricity, or electronics or the engineering that makes them possible, but as I play I do often wonder how things may have played out.

The question for me is: What would the world have looked like had his inventions taken over the mainstream? Would any of them actually have worked? What was his plan for world domination...you know...being an mad scientist and all?

The primary difference would probably relate to the delivery mechanism of power. Tesla was really into the idea of transmitting power via the atmosphere rather than using wires. Had they figured out a decent way to commercialize it, we'd probably be bathed in stronger EM fields to be sure, and there would be few "power poles" to block the scenery. That's the primary difference I suppose.
 
The primary difference would probably relate to the delivery mechanism of power. Tesla was really into the idea of transmitting power via the atmosphere rather than using wires. Had they figured out a decent way to commercialize it, we'd probably be bathed in stronger EM fields to be sure, and there would be few "power poles" to block the scenery. That's the primary difference I suppose.

And, of course, if this were our transmission system, we'd all be living in more densely areas centered around the broadcast towers. No sprawl? Much shorter commutes? A different social outlook?

Actually, I suspect the rugged individualism of the industrial age had something to do with the rejection of this method of transmitting power.
 
Had they figured out a decent way to commercialize it, we'd probably be bathed in stronger EM fields to be sure, and there would be few "power poles" to block the scenery. That's the primary difference I suppose.

Ugh, what a horrible thought. Imagine your home appliances having antennas and having to put your refrigerator in the living room or something to get enough "power reception" to run it.
 
No way, you'd just have your 12 year old stand next to it with his hand on the anntenna
 
I would think that, considering the amount of power we use, transmitting that over the air would seem to make all sorts of disastrous scenarios possible, as well as widespread theft.
 
I would think that, considering the amount of power we use, transmitting that over the air would seem to make all sorts of disastrous scenarios possible, as well as widespread theft.

You've never heard of people piggy-backing on their neighbor's wi-fi?
 
Tesla was an "unstable genius". One day he could have a brilliant idea, the next day an totally batcrap crazy one.
Given that Tesla had a lot of really insane ideas, there is still an awful lot of total nonsense about him in circulation.
 
So, wireless electricity is the only thing that could have been made possible? No death rays? No protective forcefields? No machines that could shake the earth to pieces?

Lets say you did have a city all huddled around a giant tesla coil or whatever; would the amount power needed potentially be damaging to biology considering that it's wireless? What about noise? Wouldn't a giant coil generate a huge amount of electrical crackling similar to the smaller versions?

The whole disscussion may be moot, but I am just curious for curiosities sake. Thanks for responding.
 
Maybe the SI would name a unit of measurement after him.

Seriously, Tesla's discoveries were not ignored as some people would have you believe. Anybody who's studied the history of electricity knows who he is.
 
IIRC, Tesla's patents expired decades ago. Anything of his that actually worked would've been usurped at that time and is already in use. This includes AC electricity, AC electric motors, and...ummm.....give me a minute...hmmm.....well...wait, no.....uhhh....

So...yeah. Not much different from today.

We have Tesla to thank for the fact that we almost universally use commercial AC power in our homes and industries. This is a legacy of huge impact: had we gone the Edison/DC route a lot of things about the day-to-day technology we use would be very different.

As you mention, he also invented the AC motor. Pretty much every plug-in motorized appliance you use -- clocks, can openers, refrigerators, clothes washers & driers, garbage disposals, electric drills and saws, etc., etc. -- use some variation of Tesla's invention.

It was Tesla that very likely invented, or at least first demonstrated the real-world feasibility of radio. Marconi's famous demonstration in 1901 was achieved using devices and components covered by 17 different Tesla patents, going back as far as 7 years. Tesla sued Marconi, and in 1943 (after Tesla's death) the case had worked its way to the Supreme Court, which found in favor of Tesla.

Tesla was a pioneer in concepts of heterodyning, RF feedback, high-frequency transformers, and ELF transmission. Experiments he performed in 1917 laid the groundwork for the development of radar.

He was not without his woo-woo side -- I'd call him an eccentric (rather than "unstable") genius--he brought genius to every project he undertook, even when the project was nutty. He was a horribly impractical businessman, and repeatedly had his inventions and patents ripped-off by people who made their own fortunes on them. Usually he let this go by; the Marconi case was unusual. He believed in extraterrestrial civilizations and spent time developing means to try to contact them. He was obsessive/compulsive, inordinately fond of pigeons, and had a horror of germs. He came to believe that high-frequency / high-power AC transmission was the solution to a vast array of practical problems from defense (his "death ray") to free electricity for home and industry.

But come to that, there are plenty of other highly intelligent and accomplished scientists and engineers who developed a fascination with one or another woo idea in their lives. Think of Nobel prize-winning Linus Pauling, and his almost fanatical advocacy of vitamin C, or Shockley, and his obsession with race, intelligence, and eugenics.

All in all, Tesla is either unknown or under-appreciated by much of the society he helped to make possible.

This is not a bad place to start, if you want to learn more about this fascinating man:

http://www.amazon.com/Prodigal-Geni...=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266453416&sr=1-4

A word of warning, though: there are a lot of "Tesla" books out there; I recommend avoiding any that have the word "Lost," "Hidden," "Secret," or "Occult" in the title. As didalb said, there is a lot of nonsense about Tesla in circulation.
 
We have Tesla to thank for the fact that we almost universally use commercial AC power in our homes and industries. This is a legacy of huge impact: had we gone the Edison/DC route a lot of things about the day-to-day technology we use would be very different.

As you mention, he also invented the AC motor. Pretty much every plug-in motorized appliance you use -- clocks, can openers, refrigerators, clothes washers & driers, garbage disposals, electric drills and saws, etc., etc. -- use some variation of Tesla's invention.

It was Tesla that very likely invented, or at least first demonstrated the real-world feasibility of radio. Marconi's famous demonstration in 1901 was achieved using devices and components covered by 17 different Tesla patents, going back as far as 7 years. Tesla sued Marconi, and in 1943 (after Tesla's death) the case had worked its way to the Supreme Court, which found in favor of Tesla.

Tesla was a pioneer in concepts of heterodyning, RF feedback, high-frequency transformers, and ELF transmission. Experiments he performed in 1917 laid the groundwork for the development of radar.

He was not without his woo-woo side -- I'd call him an eccentric (rather than "unstable") genius--he brought genius to every project he undertook, even when the project was nutty. He was a horribly impractical businessman, and repeatedly had his inventions and patents ripped-off by people who made their own fortunes on them. Usually he let this go by; the Marconi case was unusual. He believed in extraterrestrial civilizations and spent time developing means to try to contact them. He was obsessive/compulsive, inordinately fond of pigeons, and had a horror of germs. He came to believe that high-frequency / high-power AC transmission was the solution to a vast array of practical problems from defense (his "death ray") to free electricity for home and industry.
But come to that, there are plenty of other highly intelligent and accomplished scientists and engineers who developed a fascination with one or another woo idea in their lives. Think of Nobel prize-winning Linus Pauling, and his almost fanatical advocacy of vitamin C, or Shockley, and his obsession with race, intelligence, and eugenics.

All in all, Tesla is either unknown or under-appreciated by much of the society he helped to make possible.

This is not a bad place to start, if you want to learn more about this fascinating man:

http://www.amazon.com/Prodigal-Geni...=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266453416&sr=1-4

A word of warning, though: there are a lot of "Tesla" books out there; I recommend avoiding any that have the word "Lost," "Hidden," "Secret," or "Occult" in the title. As didalb said, there is a lot of nonsense about Tesla in circulation.

Thanks for the info. I have been meaning to read up on him so I will be checking out that book for sure.

I boldfaced a passage that I am curious about here. How practical would it have been for his vision of the future to actually come to fruition? What would that future have ultimately looked like? This is all assuming that his idea's were fully explored and refined into working technologies of course.

Any thoughts?
 
We have Tesla to thank for the fact that we almost universally use commercial AC power in our homes and industries. This is a legacy of huge impact: had we gone the Edison/DC route a lot of things about the day-to-day technology we use would be very different.

As you mention, he also invented the AC motor. Pretty much every plug-in motorized appliance you use -- clocks, can openers, refrigerators, clothes washers & driers, garbage disposals, electric drills and saws, etc., etc. -- use some variation of Tesla's invention.

It was Tesla that very likely invented, or at least first demonstrated the real-world feasibility of radio. Marconi's famous demonstration in 1901 was achieved using devices and components covered by 17 different Tesla patents, going back as far as 7 years. Tesla sued Marconi, and in 1943 (after Tesla's death) the case had worked its way to the Supreme Court, which found in favor of Tesla.

Tesla was a pioneer in concepts of heterodyning, RF feedback, high-frequency transformers, and ELF transmission. Experiments he performed in 1917 laid the groundwork for the development of radar.

He was not without his woo-woo side -- I'd call him an eccentric (rather than "unstable") genius--he brought genius to every project he undertook, even when the project was nutty. He was a horribly impractical businessman, and repeatedly had his inventions and patents ripped-off by people who made their own fortunes on them. Usually he let this go by; the Marconi case was unusual. He believed in extraterrestrial civilizations and spent time developing means to try to contact them. He was obsessive/compulsive, inordinately fond of pigeons, and had a horror of germs. He came to believe that high-frequency / high-power AC transmission was the solution to a vast array of practical problems from defense (his "death ray") to free electricity for home and industry.

But come to that, there are plenty of other highly intelligent and accomplished scientists and engineers who developed a fascination with one or another woo idea in their lives. Think of Nobel prize-winning Linus Pauling, and his almost fanatical advocacy of vitamin C, or Shockley, and his obsession with race, intelligence, and eugenics.

All in all, Tesla is either unknown or under-appreciated by much of the society he helped to make possible.

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So...yeah. Not much different from today.

The OP's question was, how would society be "different" if our modern-day technology were based on Tesla technology. The answer is "no different", because our modern day technology largely IS based on Tesla technology - the premise that a lot of Tesla's work has been "repressed", ignored, kept hidden, or made secret, is not accurate. Everything that Tesla thought up that actually works is being used - widely. Tesla's...."special" projects, like death rays and all that, are not in use because they don't work.
 
I would think that, considering the amount of power we use, transmitting that over the air would seem to make all sorts of disastrous scenarios possible, as well as widespread theft.

Or it would have led to the idea that electricity is a public utility, and we just pay for it by our taxes.

Anyway, I don't think these are the reasons why it never happened.
 
The OP's question was, how would society be "different" if our modern-day technology were based on Tesla technology. The answer is "no different", because our modern day technology largely IS based on Tesla technology - the premise that a lot of Tesla's work has been "repressed", ignored, kept hidden, or made secret, is not accurate. Everything that Tesla thought up that actually works is being used - widely. Tesla's...."special" projects, like death rays and all that, are not in use because they don't work.

You're right, of course. But I took the hypothetical to be, what if through the air transmission worked. How would things look? I took it to be an invitation to speculate on a contrary-to-fact situation. (Sort of like, what would the Earth look like if it had no moon?)
 
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You're right, of course. But I took the hypothetical to be, what if through the air transmission worked. How would things look? I took it to be an invitation to speculate on a contrary-to-fact situation. (Sort of like, what would the Earth look like if it had no moon?)
Well following this line of speculation, I think it would have actually slowed down progress in electronics and computers. With all that electromagnetic radiation in the air, everything outside of the receivers would have to be resistant to it. You couldn't have a form factor that didn't incorporate a Faraday cage. Forget iPhones, mobile phones would probably all still be bricks and any of our modern computers and electronics transported to this parallel world would likely be instantly fried.
 

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