Haitian earthquake was used as an excuse for US invasion

And of course, that paragon of virtue, Ted Rall, had joined the conspiracy theorists:

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Cimerian said:
If you really believe that things happening 40 or 100 years ago have nothing to do with what is going on now, then you have a really limited perspective of history.
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Let's go with that, then. Have you ever lied to anyone for any reason? Yes or no. If yes, then why should anyone believe anything you say?
 
Must be the invasion of Haiti was a success. The US has withdrawn about 7000 troops and a few ships. What strikes me as being odd is; why did the US leave the Vinson and the Comfort anchored nearby.
Must be the commanders are worried about a counterattack by villagers wielding empty ration cans. (sarc. done)
 
fess said:
Must be the invasion of Haiti was a success. The US has withdrawn about 7000 troops and a few ships.
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Oh, that's just because they don't care about poor black folks, so they are deserting them.

Because no matter what the USA does it's evil, you know.
 
Skeptic said:
And of course, that paragon of virtue, Ted Rall, had joined the conspiracy theorists:

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FTFY

Also who ever made that vid is sick.:mad:
 
Another good book is Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins from the horses mouth as they say!

His job was to implement policies that promoted the interests of the U.S. corporatocracy (a coalition of government, banks, and corporations) while professing to alleviate poverty—
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he does briefly mention Haiti from what I remember

http://www.economichitman.com/
 
The funny thing about bringing up the Cold War again (and again and again) in regards to Haiti is that during the Cold War, the US still didn't invade and occupy countries like it is being alleged is being done in Haiti.
 
dudalb said:
I love the way some people quote Noam Chomsky the way a Christian quotes Jesus, as a source who Word Is Law.
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just like you mention Stalin and Lenin when its about Chavez and Venezuela?
 
No-one has any credibility who speaks up against the imperialist tendencies of the US. How convenient, no-one has any credibility who speaks up against those that support your politics and oppress others. Where is this getting us, all I can supply is evidence, unambiguous statements, people involved, the consequences, you just say 'I don't believe' or ' crimes 20 years ago has no relevance to the present'.

You won't find statements like the Chilean episode, they have learned to cover that up. You will have to search a little bit more for the dirty laundry, and partisan's won't look beyond their nose.
 
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perseus said:
No-one has any credibility who speaks up against the imperialist tendencies of the US. How convenient, no-one has any credibility who speaks up against those that support your politics and oppress others. Where is this getting us, all I can supply is evidence, unambiguous statements, people involved, the consequences, you just say 'I don't believe' or 'my crimes 20 years ago has no relevence to the present' I am a good chap now.
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You are right, but not when it is about Haiti. This is laughable.
 
Rogue1stclass said:
The funny thing about bringing up the Cold War again (and again and again) in regards to Haiti is that during the Cold War, the US still didn't invade and occupy countries like it is being alleged is being done in Haiti.
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The US empire is a corporate empire, with military back-up. It takes over countries' markets and milks them at the expense of the natives.

It did this throughout the "Cold War".



DC said:
You are right, but not when it is about Haiti. This is laughable.
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Why?
 
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perseus said:
You won't find statements like the Chilean episode, they have learned to cover that up. You will have to search a little bit more for the dirty laundry, and partisan's won't look beyond their nose.
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I've searched a little bit more, and found Cuba, the Phillipines, Japan, and west Germany. Those poor people, enslaved by US imperialist policies...
 
JihadJane said:
The US empire is a corporate empire, with military back-up. It takes over countries' markets and milks them at the expense of the natives.
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Exactly! That's why US corporations dominate Japan and Germany today. Companies like Toyota, Siemens, BMW...

....wait a minute!
 
aggle-rithm said:
Exactly! That's why US corporations dominate Japan and Germany today. Companies like Toyota, Siemens, BMW...

....wait a minute!
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...Volkswagon, Canon, Bayer, Yamaha, Sony, Mitsubishi, Toshiba...

Here's an interesting article about German corporate globalization...including takeovers of American companies! When did the German troops land? I must have missed that.

http://www.germanlife.com/Archives/1999/9902_01.html
 
perseus said:
No-one has any credibility who speaks up against the imperialist tendencies of the US. How convenient, no-one has any credibility who speaks up against those that support your politics and oppress others. Where is this getting us, all I can supply is evidence, unambiguous statements, people involved, the consequences, you just say 'I don't believe' or ' crimes 20 years ago has no relevance to the present'.

You won't find statements like the Chilean episode, they have learned to cover that up. You will have to search a little bit more for the dirty laundry, and partisan's won't look beyond their nose.
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Excuse me, promoting crackpottery such as trutherism, shapeshifting and mysticism as well as having nothing to back up their assertions annihilates their credibility in my book.

You have submitted John Perkins, a regular on the alex jones show who talks about conspiracies and the "nwo" and everything above, and Naomi klein, who tortured her credibility when she twisted Friedman's words and made him into a supporter of pinochet. your evidence would be laughed out of a court and they were not objective pieces after which you demanded total credibiltiy for finding them. Have you checked up on them? are they accurate? is the author objective?

All you need to know about chile:

A Marxist with links to the KGB is elected and messes up the economy. Nixon catalyses this in his "make the economy scream" order and instigates a failed coup attempt. Allende brings in more Soviet assistance and becomes even more tyrannical, destroying the chilean constitution. The Chamber of deputies declares 81-47 in consistency with the Supreme Court's rulings that Allende is a criminal. Pinochet sees that the republic is in danger and overthrows allende, putting it on hiatus for 17 years.

The church committee in 1975 concluded that the CIA did not overthrow Allende, as did the CIA IG in 2000.
 
JihadJane said:
The US empire is a corporate empire, with military back-up. It takes over countries' markets and milks them at the expense of the natives.

It did this throughout the "Cold War".





Why?
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IIRC, many corporations went under chapters XI and VII proceedings during the recession. IIRC, German corporations are still going strong, as are South Korean, Japanese, Singaporean, Indonesian, Brazilian, Indian and British as well as Finnish. And American Corporations don't even own a plurality of the world's wealth.

So the USSR and the USA were "best buds" during the "Cold War". Yeah, and Cuba was just a minor hiccup.:rolleyes:

This was stupid because Haiti doesn't have much to plunder.
 
JihadJane said:
The US empire is a corporate empire, with military back-up. It takes over countries' markets and milks them at the expense of the natives.

It did this throughout the "Cold War".
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Which is utterly and completely beside the point, even if true.

The fact of the matter is that none of the examples put forth, nor any other that exist, that point to the US invading and occupying Haiti for any reason involved the US invading and occupying the countries in question.

There is also the minor fact that Haiti has no markets to speak of to dominate. And, you know, that the US has already invaded Haiti twice in the past 15 years, so doesn't really seem to need to be sneaky about it.
 
By keeping Haiti a sweatshop economy it remains part of the US global market. Didn't Mrs Clinton recently suggest they convert their countryside into a giant mango plantation?

The main thing is that the US economic elite doesn't want Haiti follow the Venezuelan/Cuban etc. model of development.
 
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