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What about this crop circle?

How many crop circles have you made and/or contributed to? Give me a straight answer plz.
Why should he? You're making an ad hominem argument. How many crop circles Stray Cat made is irrelevant. His comments stand or fall on their own merits.

Why can't you give a straight answer to my questions (which are not ad hominem and are on topic)? Do you think humans aren't capable of making crop circles without ET intervention or paranormal activity?
 
How many crop circles have you made and/or contributed to? Give me a straight answer plz.
Yes, I'm sure you've already got the next really predictable question lined up too. No, I'll pass on answering thanks, it's a can of worms best left tightly closed.

Maybe. I'm not ruling it out. I have no first-hand crop circle experience, as I do with psi and "UFOs". So I'm not taking as strong a stance about crop circles as I do about psi. I think there is a connection between crop circles and psi, so sue me.
Believe what you want to believe (as if you needed me to give approval :)), but the physical evidence for anything paranormal happening in and around crop circles doesn't match up to it.. sorry.
 
Yes, I'm sure you've already got the next really predictable question lined up too. No, I'll pass on answering thanks, it's a can of worms best left tightly closed.
It's also irrelevant, and it's also a sign that Limbo is trying to make an extraordinary claim without accepting the burden of proof to substantiate that claim. Instead, he's trying to get you to prove that everything he's seen can be done by humans. It's not necessary.

The burden is on him to prove that these crop circles are beyond human ability (without ET intervention or paranormal activity).


Believe what you want to believe (as if you needed me to give approval :)), but the physical evidence for anything paranormal happening in and around crop circles doesn't match up to it.. sorry.
Yep--Limbo's belief in PSI and ET visitors is nothing short of a religious belief.
 
Yep--Limbo's belief in PSI and ET visitors is nothing short of a religious belief.

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How many seconds do you estimate this one took?

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I would guess a practiced person could do that in under 500 seconds? What exactly is the point of your question? How long do you think it took?
 
Yes, I'm sure you've already got the next really predictable question lined up too. No, I'll pass on answering thanks, it's a can of worms best left tightly closed.


You talk with a great deal of authority about making crop circles, and I have a right to know why. If you won't answer straight questions then I'm done with you.
 
I would guess a practiced person could do that in under 500 seconds? What exactly is the point of your question? How long do you think it took?


My point is that there is more to making a crop circle than stomping around. There are intricacies that require work by hand. Stray Cat said "people usually design the crop circles knowing roughly how long they will take to complete" so circlemakers must know how long nests like that take to complete.
 
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My point is that there is more to making a crop circle than stomping around. There are intricacies that require work by hand. Stray Cat said "people usually design the crop circles knowing roughly how long they will take to complete" so circlemakers must know how long nests like that take to complete.

Um, yes. I strongly suspect they would know that. Again, I ask, what is your point?
 
Um, yes. I strongly suspect they would know that. Again, I ask, what is your point?


My point is time. I want to know how many minutes are alloted for the completion of each circle by someone like Stray Cat and I want to know how many of those minutes are put aside for making hand-made intricacies such as that 'nest'. I want to know how long it takes Stray Cat to do something like that by hand, and also how long it takes him to plot a survey on the ground for a design. I want to know how much longer these things take in bad weather. I want straight answers.

QUESTIONS REGARDING LOGISTICS.

"The hoaxers claim four hours was the time limit imposed for construction, which is the absolute maximum given time of darkness in the English summer, typically when crop circle season is in full swing. To construct 104 circles, the three men would have therefore taken no more than 2.3 minutes to make each circle. Just to make, mind you. No breaks, no measuring, no allowance for the exact placing of the design, or movement of planks, poles and string, not even a toilet break. This in itself should have been a supernatural achievement for three fit men.

In the past, during monitored events, it has taken a team of two people up to an hour to make a not-too-disheveled 70 ft circle. But I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume that 2 minutes for a circle was achievable, no matter how poor the outcome. This leaves no time to survey the area and place poles on the exact spots where one would lay a circle according to a pre-planned blueprint- the simplest and most accurate means possible for executing a complex design; and in this case it was a fairly complicated design (even though all the elements were naively copied from known genuine crop circles).

For this I will draw from a recent study by Rod Bearcloud Berry in Arizona who took the trouble to ask two engineering firms how long they would take just to plot a survey on the ground for the design of 1997's awesome 264 ft Star of Solomon fractal at Milk Hill (below), which boasted a record 204 circles along its perimeter (which would have allowed just 1.1 minute per circle alone, and in a far more densely populated and monitored location). The estimate came in at 6.5 to 7.5 days IN DAYLIGHT, with an additional 4 days should the work be carried out at night.

In a similar trial in 1994, it took five men two full days, working in bright daylight, to produce the simple, but pretty flower crop circle for Arthur C. Clarke's television programme, Unsolved Mysteries.

You will also note from the aerial photo (above) that the center of the formation has two incriminating marks either side of the tractor lines, presumably where the central poles were attached in order to plot the large circle, if not the entire design. In the highly complex Milk Hill formation from last summer (left), the center lies in the middle of pristine standing crop. But you probably won't hear this in the documentary.

From this evidence alone any intelligent person can deduce that it probably required far longer than "four hours of darkness" claimed by Dickinson to produce this formation from initial surveying to final execution. (It now has been discovered from a local and a confidential source that the team staked the entire design beforehand using string and poles)."
 
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My point is time. I want to know how many minutes are alloted for the completion of each circle by someone like Stray Cat and I want to know how many of those minutes are put aside for hand-made intricacies such as that 'nest'. I want to know how long it takes Stray Cat to do something like that by hand, and also how long it takes him to plot a survey on the ground for a design. I want to know how much longer these things take in bad weather.

How is any of this relevant? You agree that crop circles are made by humans. OK, so you claim some bollocks about holograms and the magical oneness of the universe, but that has nothing to do with your questions here. If you agree that humans make crop circles, why do you care so much about how long it takes? It can't possibly prove anything about your claims. What you are engaged in here is what is probably known as (and if it isn't, it should be) an argumentum ad red herringum. You're just splurging questions all over the place in the hopes of distracting everyone from the obvious pointlessness of what you're saying.

If you want to provide evidence to support your claims, you have to, well, provide evidence. Finding out that it takes on average exactly 5 hours, 32 minutes and 7 seconds to make a crop circle adds nothing to your case, other than making it clear that you have absolutely no idea about how these things actually work, and therefore are basing your case solely on your own ignorance.

I want straight answers.

No you don't. You've had straight answers, both in this thread and every other thread you've posted in. You ignore them every time in favour of Just Asking Questionstm. Oh yes, and rule 4 breaches. Might want to watch out for that one.
 
You talk with a great deal of authority about making crop circles, and I have a right to know why.
Where is that right guaranteed to you? You do not have any such right.

You're claiming that crop circles are the result of either ET intervention or paranormal activity. The burden is entirely on YOU to support this outrageous claim.


If you won't answer straight questions then I'm done with you.
Why won't you answer the question I've been asking you over and over now? Do you think crop circles can't be made by humans? What evidence do you have to support your idea that crop circles require ET intervention or paranormal activity?
 
Yes I do. But all I'm getting are questions, guesses, assertions, opinions, and evasions. Oh, and bad attitudes.


Try this - say:
This is what I think happens when crop circles are made:
1. _____
2. _____
3. _____

And this is why I think so:
1. _____
2. _____
3. _____

Do you agree with what I said, or not? Why or why not?

...instead of tipsie-toeing around hinting this and alluding to that.
 
My point is that there is more to making a crop circle than stomping around. There are intricacies that require work by hand. Stray Cat said "people usually design the crop circles knowing roughly how long they will take to complete" so circlemakers must know how long nests like that take to complete.

No it isn't. Your point is that crop circles are either made by ETs or require paranormal activity. You've yet to give any evidence to support your position.

You keep nibbling about with your repeated questions as to how long it takes or how difficult it is for humans to make them. You seem to be implying that if it's difficult or takes a long time, then humans didn't make them.

Let's say (for the sake of moving the discussion on) that it is very very difficult and time-consuming for humans to make crop circles. Why would that imply that ETs or paranormal activity is required?
 
Yes I do. But all I'm getting are questions, guesses, assertions, opinions, and evasions. Oh, and bad attitudes.
Nonsense. You're getting on-topic arguments and challenges for you to substantiate your extraordinary claim.

All you're contributing are ad hominem arguments about Stray Cat's credentials (which are irrelevant) and questions that are meant to suggest that humans couldn't possibly make crop circles--or that ETs or paranormal activity is required.

And now you assert your "right" to know Stray Cat's crop circle credentials?

That's absurd.
 
For this I will draw from a recent study by Rod Bearcloud Berry in Arizona who took the trouble to ask two engineering firms how long they would take just to plot a survey on the ground for the design of 1997's awesome 264 ft Star of Solomon fractal at Milk Hill (below), which boasted a record 204 circles along its perimeter (which would have allowed just 1.1 minute per circle alone, and in a far more densely populated and monitored location). The estimate came in at 6.5 to 7.5 days IN DAYLIGHT, with an additional 4 days should the work be carried out at night.

Is there a reason why the survey plotting could not be done over four consecutive nights?
 
You talk with a great deal of authority about making crop circles, and I have a right to know why. If you won't answer straight questions then I'm done with you.


I imagine that's going to be totally heart-breaking for the poor fellow.

Do you like magazines, Limbo? You're about to feature in one.


Yes I do. But all I'm getting are questions, guesses, assertions, opinions, and evasions. Oh, and bad attitudes.


As they say in the classics, b b babe, you just ain't seen nothin' yet.
 

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