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pgimeno said:
Hope this one works for you. The question was: can you explain this pic?

http://bigrosebang.com/site1074.jpg
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Sure. That's WTC7 being pelted by dust and pebbles from the North Tower. It shows how little of substance hit the building. Even the famous PBS documentary of 2002 describes WTC7 as being 'pelted' by debris from WTC1.

We all know that rain 'pelts' and snowballs 'pelt' but not much more than that really.(Maybe one or two larger pieces hit but not enough to invalidate the overall description of 'pelting'.)
 
And doesn't the fact that the core is standing tell anything to you about your thermite occurence?
 
pgimeno said:
And doesn't the fact that the core is standing tell anything to you about your thermite occurence?
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Remember Dr. Astaneh saying that he saw fireproofing melted into a glassy residue ?

Well we saw the way those remaining 'pillars' stayed standing momentarily and then appeared to begin to collapse from the bottom turning to dust as they went straight down ? (see video/article)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI&NR=1 spire video
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Obviously we know that long long lengths of heavy steel like that cannot just crumble before our eyes. So it must be as I said. The steel has melted out and dropped down into the basements and what we see are tubes of their fireproofing that have been melted together 'into a glassy residue'. That's what crumbles and falls before us.
 
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pgimeno said:
And doesn't the fact that the core is standing tell anything to you about your thermite occurence?
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she does not use logic, she posts moronic delusions based on her complete ignorance on 911; she finds idiotic statements and posts them. She strives to find the dumbest ideas and post them to make sure you know she has no clue on 911.
 
pgimeno said:
And doesn't the fact that the core is standing tell anything to you about your thermite occurence?
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I think Dr Sock Wood is implying that the columns we see standing are infact hollow shells of glassified fire protection. Ya know the hollow glass stuff that can remain standing whilst all around it falls apart.

Stundie me thinks.
 
pgimeno said:
Hope this one works for you. The question was: can you explain this pic?

http://bigrosebang.com/site1074.jpg
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I was wrong about that being WTC7. To the left of the domed building is the Winter Gardens and to the right 'm not sure what. You can find it all in this giant zoomable and slow loading map of GZ and surroundings. From 23.09.2001. The map has been known to take 5 mins to load on some computers so load in another tab if you can.

http://www.stopgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/sat_photo_911.jpg
 
bill smith said:
Remember Dr. Astaneh saying that he saw fireproofing melted into a glassy residue ?

Well we saw the way those remaining 'pillars' stayed standing momentarily and then appeared to begin to collapse from the bottom turning to dust as they went straight down ? (see video/article)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI&NR=1 spire video
http://911review.com/errors/wtc/spire.html article/gif


Obviously we know that long long lengths of heavy steel like that cannot just crumble before our eyes. So it must be as I said. The steel has melted out and dropped down into the basements and what we see are tubes of their fireproofing that have been melted together 'into a glassy residue'. That's what crumbles and falls before us.
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Have you actually *read* the article you have posted? It's a good one indeed. Especially the last paragraph. The author is warning you that it's an ERROR to believe that 'The North Tower's Spire Turned to Dust'.

If it was as fragile as you pretend, it should have been crushed by the collapse front as the rest of the building.

And your occurrence doesn't explain the huge amount of basically intact core columns that could be seen in GZ. See the sat photo you have posted, or you can also see also a good amount of core columns in this one:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:September_17_2001_Ground_Zero_01.jpg

Which, by the way, also shows the damage done by WTC7's uncontrolled collapse to an adjacent building.

All these columns are on top of the pile because the core collapsed after the building did.

And that isn't explained by thermite.
 
It is, unfortunately, impossible for truthers to grasp how ridiculous they sound to the sane...


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scott.in.taiwan said:
So someone hollowed out an entire column that runs the length of the building? That's amazing. How was this done so that tons and tons of super duper nano thermite could be silently poured in?
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Oh, that's easy. You simply do it secretly while talking to the secretary.
 
aggle-rithm said:
Oh, that's easy. You simply do it secretly while talking to the secretary.
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classic bs. I propose that any such theories hereunto be refered to as "bill's razor". bill's razor refers to the phenomenon where the most likely answer is also the stupidest answer anyone has ever heard.
 
bill smith said:
Rubber tyres at a speed like that will go through a thin layer of molten steel with ease.
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Now that's seriously ****** up! What kind of drugs are you on Bill to come up with that?

Hell if that's the case Billy, if anyone did drive through molten steel those rubber tires would pop because of the heat & melt the minute they touch it. Your mind is WAY out there girly!
 
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pgimeno said:
Have you actually *read* the article you have posted? It's a good one indeed. Especially the last paragraph. The author is warning you that it's an ERROR to believe that 'The North Tower's Spire Turned to Dust'.

If it was as fragile as you pretend, it should have been crushed by the collapse front as the rest of the building.

And your occurrence doesn't explain the huge amount of basically intact core columns that could be seen in GZ. See the sat photo you have posted, or you can also see also a good amount of core columns in this one:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:September_17_2001_Ground_Zero_01.jpg

Which, by the way, also shows the damage done by WTC7's uncontrolled collapse to an adjacent building.

All these columns are on top of the pile because the core collapsed after the building did.

And that isn't explained by thermite.
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There should be more than 10 MILES of giant core columns in the footprint of WTC1. Let's face it....there isn't anything like that. Even a layman can see that much.

I can give you a list of other items that are missing too such as the floorpans. There should be around 5,000 of these, each 1/47th of an acre in size made of 20mm steel. (almost inch-thick steel) So that's ?....let's see....5,000 x 900 square foot floorpans. Where are they ? Can you show me as many as two or three ?
 
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bill smith said:
There should be more than 10 MILES of giant core columns in the footprint of WTC1. Let's face it....there isn't anything like that. Even a layman can see that much.
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The rest of them aren't in the surface, but buried under tons of scrap. Even a layman can see that much.

And none of the ones that are (the ones that belonged to the collapsing core) show any sign of melting at all.

Let's face it... the thermite occurrence has no basis on reality.
 
pgimeno said:
The rest of them aren't in the surface, but buried under tons of scrap. Even a layman can see that much.

And none of the ones that are (the ones that belonged to the collapsing core) show any sign of melting at all.

Let's face it... the thermite occurrence has no basis on reality.
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I already told you. Only about 50% of the core columns were melted. The Factor of safety for these columns was 3 or greater so when the first 50% of them were melted away the other 50% could fairly easily bear the weight of the building.

Several seconds after the melting the hat-truss gave way as the core columns holding it up had been melted away up as far as the 88th floor.

Then the hat truss acted as a giant 'Potato-Masher' as it dropped nto the upper floors of WTC1. You can see this as the antenna drops and the smoke and debris is squirted out of the upper segment in a band all around. If you stop the attached video you can drag the slider back and forth and perform the mashing action yourself. It could not be clearer what is happening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9-owhllM9k antenna
 
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bill smith said:
There should be more than 10 MILES of giant core columns in the footprint of WTC1. Let's face it....there isn't anything like that. Even a layman can see that much.

I can give you a list of other items that are missing too such as the floorpans. There should be around 5,000 of these, each 1/47th of an acre in size made of 20mm steel. (almost inch-thick steel) So that's ?....let's see....5,000 x 900 square foot floorpans. Where are they ? Can you show me as many as two or three ?
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yes...yes...continue....

um, could you provide a source for the hilited value, pretty please?
 
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