The Freeman Movement and England

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Although the various Bills of Rights (around the world) such as the Magna Carta are not superb work in every way they enshrined some of the ideas that people can take for granted; such as the common law right to travel unimpeded.


Unfortunately the Bill of Rights and Magna Carta are statutes, and therefore according to you have no legal force.

And you can forget about Habeas Corpus as well - although originally a common law right, subsequent common law decisions watered it down to such an extent that it became pretty much useless, and the right had to be effectively reinstated by statute.
 
Yup.

Where they gonna go, Arthur? Off the planet? This is exactly what you have been told: if you don't like the laws of the country you'r living in, leave.

There is nohwere to go physically so the choice is a non-choice! Or just change it as you said which is what freemen are doing, slowly, admittedly but change is occuing in people minds. This is what it is all about! Come on you know you want it!
 
My eyes are not all that good, I can't read the green type.

Why is it that many of these freeman types seem to be devoid of basic manners and consideration for others who may not be "practically perfect in every way"?
 
There is nohwere to go physically so the choice is a non-choice! Or just change it as you said which is what freemen are doing, slowly, admittedly but change is occuing in people minds. This is what it is all about! Come on you know you want it!

There are plenty of places to go.
 
Haven't had time to do the quote idea so I will have to post in a colour as I would still like to engage with you strange minded folk. So I will post in a less aggresive colour a blue or green.

I would also like to continue to engage with you to find out exactly what your mind consists of, so let us establish exactly what your beliefs are.

Why do you not emigrate to Australia, and go live in the Little Desert. nobody will stop you - it is perfectly legal to come here and be a Nomad, so, go for it! You will get no benefits, you will have no internet, no roads, no food, no water, no resources other than those you can personally find, dig up (except you will have to make a shovel first) or otherwise personally create.

So, since you have such upright principles, just do it!

I thought I would make this post in a less threataning colour.

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There is nohwere to go physically so the choice is a non-choice! Or just change it as you said which is what freemen are doing, slowly, admittedly but change is occuing in people minds. This is what it is all about! Come on you know you want it!

Fiona and fromdownunder reckon there are places. If they're right, then you FOTLers can go to those places.

My point was this though: if there are no places to go, then it is a little hypocritical for FOTLers to complain that they're told either to accept laws they don't like or move to another country (which would undoubtedly also have laws they didn't like), when a FOTLer society would tell its own members exactly the same thing.

I don't think my country is perfect and there are plenty of things I'd like to change about it. I suspect that, if we chatted, we'd even agree on what some of those changes should be. Still, I'm fairly sure we'd choose different ways of bringing them about!
 
Well, I must admit the green is an improvement in that now it's impossible to read what you post at all.

AND I think this is close enough to a hit that now I can apply for the MDC:

But this would require him to submit to your totalitarian ideas of correct formatting. Do you really expect him to bend the neck to your yoke like that? How could he ever call himself a FOTL again?

Of course AA would find a reason not to comply with socially accepted behavior, especially after he received a courteous request to do so.
 
Jesus. what a pathetic and transparent attempt by childish, selfish brats to rationalize the fact they simply don't want to comply with any law they consider an inconvenience to them.
 
Haven't had time to do the quote idea so I will have to post in a colour as I would still like to engage with you strange minded folk. So I will post in a less aggresive colour a blue or green.

Your post is illegible. If you want to convey a particular message, you are picking an incredibly poor way to do so. A better way would be to put in the effort to learn to use the forum tools properly, so that you could make an attempt to speak coherently.
 
Your post is illegible. If you want to convey a particular message, you are picking an incredibly poor way to do so. A better way would be to put in the effort to learn to use the forum tools properly, so that you could make an attempt to speak coherently.



I wrote this post for another fellow with strange Ideas and an inability to communicate well, and I think it's relevant to quote it here. Please replace "Holocaust Denial" with "FoTL" and "videos" with "ideas" where appropriate:

You know, I think your inability to understand history is matched only by your inability to understand what it is you're doing here at JREF. Do you know what that is?


You're advertising.

You're trying to promote your beliefs (Holocaust denial) in the marketplace of ideas. We here are the potential consumers of those ideas, whom you wish to attract to your product.

Now, we skeptics here at JREF are a desirable consumer base in the marketplace of ideas. We are well-known for being smart shoppers, not easily swayed by the nonsense of the day. As such, purveyors of ideas come to us from all over, knowing that if they can convince us, they can convince almost anyone to believe as they do. Thus, we have people who believe in UFOs, Bigfoot, God, Angels, homeopathy, 9/11 Truth, and a thousand other ideas vying for our attention.

Now remember, you came to us. We did not go looking for your favourite forum to start a discussion of your videos, you came to our forum. If you want to compete against those others for our attention, you must give us something more than they do. I can go to any forum on this site, and find some earnest idea-pusher eager to engage me, and convince me to join them in their beliefs. Why should I engage with you, rather than any one of them?

Your posts here are your advertisements, and they are all you have to draw us in. Despite that, though, right from the very start, you have consistently refused to give us the information that we, as smart shoppers, have learned is needed to make any engagement with you worthwhile. We've shown you reports on your beliefs that indicate they are seriously flawed, which you have made no effort to rebut. It's as if a car salesman we to simply wave away a Consumers Report article that indicated the car he was selling was a fire hazard. Rejecting such a report out of hand may be easy, but it won't sell a car, will it?


You're competing in the marketplace of ideas. If you're incapable of expressing those ideas in a form that attracts our attention, then you'll surely lose.
 
Haven't had time to do the quote idea so I will have to post in a colour as I would still like to engage with you strange minded folk. So I will post in a less aggresive colour a blue or green.

OH dear GOD my EYES they BURN

Please don't

Because you say I do but don't or because I really do?

Nobody owned the land and no-one still does unless they provide original title. They need to find original title or shut up!

So those that obtain their water from the tank system and do not require government intervention still must be thankful for government intervention when they played no part AT ALL in providing any service. My time spent posting with you is becoming quite boring as you cannot break away from the chains that hold you

Why so? When I breathe does the government ALLOW the air into my lungs?

Hold on, what beliefs are these? Rob Menard may say one thing but he is not speaking for me. He has his way and me my own. I do not need or wish anyone to speak on my behalf.

DO I, NO I DO NOT!

YOUR example and a bad one, still yours though!

Norway, Britain, Russia, America, New Zealand, Australia to name some have claims, how I do not know. That's like me claiming your left leg as my own. Can I prove it? No. Can I say it, if I say it does it make it so, NO! Absolutely NOT!

When you say dwell do mean physically or mentally / spiritually / consensually

because you say

really

unless I am not in debt and the contractual terms and conditions were displayed and not covertly shown under the table that I could not see which breaches said contracts

Are you losing your temper?

Why?

I just have and in many posts and this is my point. You continue to roll around in your diatribe "discussing rubbish that just takes up peoples time" and you like to pull people in which I have engaged with you but feel no longer willing to talk rubbish with you.

I shall end this conversation now by saying I reject your authority and that of those that represent you. Prove your claim of authority over me and I will accept it. Until then i will continue on my chosen path.

If you think this is small, go back to the late nineties. Go back further to the sixties and then even further. People are waking up and all of your guns and rubbish don't to people like the Ghandi's. MLK's, Mandela's of this world. They will gladly do your time. Some of them may even be within your system and you may know what they did and why they did it.

Save this though, if you are part of it, be sure to distance yourself when the time comes because thousands of milllions of people may be a little upset with you when they find out you complied!

Yes, Arthur, you are asserting something. You are asserting that the law does not apply to you if you do not want it to - and that you can get away with ignoring the law without any consequences. You have yet to offer a single scrap of evidence as to why this should be the case.
Yes, your home was, at some point, purchased from the government. You can claim that the government doesn't actually own the land, but the plain fact is that humans are the ones making the rules, and we humans have entrusted the government with the land. The fact that we can't trace it back to your god or the Big Bang makes absolutely zero difference.
And yes, the government is involved in all of the services which you receive. Even for those who get their water from tank systems, the government regulates the construction and operation of said system. Your water is kept clean to the government's standards.
As for your beliefs, I don't know who Rob Menard is (unless he's that guy on the Icke forums), but I wasn't letting him speak for you. You are a Freeman-On-the-Land, correct? This entails certain things, such as the belief that certain laws and fees do not apply to you simply because you do not want them to.
And Antarctica is, indeed, neutral ground. The only pieces of it owned by governments are those areas which are used for research stations. And, when I say dwell, I mean physically. As long as you physically dwell within your society, people are going to grant you certain things - the opportunity to drive on well-maintained roads, for example - as if you have earned them, because they take it on faith that you are paying like the rest of them.
And nothing was "under-the-table". It's basic, elementary-school-level learning that we pay taxes so that the government can provide us with its benefits. If you do not pay your taxes, you are in clear breach of contract with the government, just like you are in clear breach of contract if you steal from a McDonald's.
Your "claims of jurisdiction" are nonsense as long you dwell within your society. Why? Because, again, the services are being provided to you on faith. Even if you say "well, I didn't ask them to perform emergency medical treatment on me when I got into that near-fatal car wreck," the fact remains that it was performed, on the basis that you were entitled to it by paying for the service.
Your rejection of authority makes no difference. Your constant comparison of yourself to Gandhi only makes you appear immature. And your adherence to FMOTL principles only makes you look arrogant, duplicitous and naive.
 
I read a description of the freeman appearing in the Magna Carta, it was a rank designation in feudal society. Somewhere between serf and noble, but not without both rights and obligations to the rest of society.

I guess that is what the modern version is missing, if you live in a society there are costs in terms of freedom and money. The alternative would be living without interaction with other people at all.
 
I refuse to contract with Arthur's posts until he stops posting inside textboxes in increasingly eye-straining colours.
 
Perhaps he should post in invisible text?


The way I see it FMOTLers want all the benefits of society without any of the responsibilities. If I am wrong then please, correct me.
 
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