Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[Akhenaten]

Anybody who has read this thread knows what I'm saying.

You have got to be kidding DOC. Srsly.

Are you really going to dare to accuse us of not reading the thread? Really?

The people who are currently engaging you have a far, far better knowledge of the garbage you've spewed than you could ever hope for yourself.

I have your ravings in a massive spreadsheet, and will soon be adding a MS Access front-end to it for ease of use.

It will be there for all to see and to speak for itself.


Thou failst, mortal.

 

[Belz...]

Luke was not an apostle. He was a physician, and traveling companion of Paul. And we know how Sir W. M. Ramsay felt about him.

Why should we CARE what he thought about him ?

 

[Akhenaten]

Luke was not an apostle. He was a physician, and traveling companion of Paul. And we know how Sir W. M. Ramsay felt about him.

That sounds a bit gay. You need to choose your words more carefully, if that's not what you meant.

Actually we don't know that because as is almost always the case we don't have the originals of ancient documents.

QFT.

Do you read what you write?

But there are more manuscripts (hand written copies) of the New Testament (around 5000) then any other ancient document. For example we have only 7 copies of Plato's work, and 20 copies of the famous historian Tactitus' writing.

Google 'hieroglyhs' DOC. Prepare to be amazed.

Manuscripts, schmanuscripts; the real story is set in stone, upstart.

And as I said before, it makes sense not to put your name on a Gospel in Roman occupied lands where they would think nothing of torturing and killing a trouble making Christian trying to spread Christianity by writing a gospel.

And as you've been told before, piffle.

What is your evidence that the any of the four gospels were written by a community and we've already been over the Mark topic.

You should read this very thread. It contains the evidence you seek.

Protip: Avoid posts that you've made yourself, since they contain nothing of value.

Your above post tells me you have not read all of this thread, because we have been over much of this. And you have not "specifically" said what in this thread (that it appears you haven't read all of) has made you lose your faith in God (as you claim this thread has).

Clueless. Absolutely, utterly, totally, completely and comprehensively clueless.

Thou art.

 

[Ichneumonwasp]

What is your evidence that the any of the four gospels were written by a community and we've already been over the Mark topic.

Here are a couple of books you can start with; we can move on from there.


Who Wrote the Gospels?

Who Wrote the New Testament

 

[kmortis]

So you believe some stranger off the internet you have never met, but you don't believe someone called one of the world's greatest historians (gospel writer Luke) by Sir William M. Ramsay?

And even if what this single person says is true, that's just his opinion and doesn't prove Geisler and others are wrong. Even Jesus caused people to hate him, does that mean Jesus is wrong. Notice as of yet, this person has not explained specifically why he has lost his faith, just that he has. If he "specifically" said why and what "specific" posts caused this maybe I could show him that his reasoning is incorrect or not logical.

hiliting mine




DOC, you are a LIAR!

Anybody who has read this thread knows what I'm saying. And I've already responded to your false assertion. I've listed the many highly detailed facts Luke got right at least 4 times. People who have read the thread know exactly what I'm saying and your big red shock words are trying to win on emotion and sensationalism rather than cool calm debate. If your argument had any meat to it you wouldn't need big red shock words.

Weird...

 

[Akhenaten]

Weird...

Torak's Teeth, you're good.

 

[Ichneumonwasp]

Your above post tells me you have not read all of this thread, because we have been over much of this. And you have not "specifically" said what in this thread (that it appears you haven't read all of) has made you lose your faith in God (as you claim this thread has).

Can't you read? He did say what made him lose his faith -- it was the totality of the thread and your (as well as other Christians) singular inability to defend what you stated was evidence that the New Testament writers told the truth and not one single post, no single specific thing.

Look back in the thread. Post 9919.

 

[kmortis]

Torak's Teeth, you're good.

Actually, I was looking for something else and that showed up in my search. I had to post it in light of recent events.

 

[Akhenaten]

Aah, I see. Divine revelation then.

 

[Lothian]

Duck and Dive 25

1 | xx | 3 |xx | 5 | xx | xx | xx | 9 | 10
11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | xx | xx | xx | xx | xx
21 | 22 | xx | xx | xx | xx | 27 | xx | 29 | 30
xx | 32 | 33 | xx | 35 | xx | xx | 38 | xx | 40
41 | 42 | 43 | 44 | 45 | 46 | 47 | 48 | 49 | 50

 

[paximperium]

Can't you read? He did say what made him lose his faith -- it was the totality of the thread and your (as well as other Christians) singular inability to defend what you stated was evidence that the New Testament writers told the truth and not one single post, no single specific thing.

Look back in the thread. Post 9919.

He has such ego and arrogance.

He is unable to to even fathom how his clumsy lying and dishonesty could turn people away from his apologetics in disgust. Notice how he keeps attempting to smear carlitos but attempting to insinuate that Carlitos is either ignorant or was apparently not a Christian?

He is unable to even see how bad his arguments are and can't accept that his "preaching" has the opposite effect. I believe he actually believes that his arguments are good. As I've said before, I only keep this thread alive because I want lurkers to read this thread and to read DOC's apolegetics and "decide for themselves". Only the most delusional would believe that this thread casts DOC or Christianity in a good light.

 

[Ichneumonwasp]

Yeah, it's pretty sad.

 

[Paulhoff]

I'm looking under the rocks outside, looking for any evidence, only bugs and roots so far.

Paul



Bugs are tastily

 

[Mr Clingford]

Hi Mr Clingford! It's been ages.

I don't think they do, and that's partly why Nicea decided that they were 'apocryphal'.

If someone clever doesn't chip in shortly, I'll do some research towards giving you a better answer.


Cheers,

Dave

Cheers Almighty Pharaoh. Good luck with the bingo! I find this thread tiring and so fast moving. I'm reading the Old Testament at the mo and have just finished Genesis, Daniel and am halfway through Ezekiel (Chapter 23 is great!). Old Testament God sure doesn't seem much like Jesus. Even cranky Jesus on a bad day.

Here are a couple of books you can start with; we can move on from there.


Who Wrote the Gospels?

Who Wrote the New Testament

Among the books on related topics for the second book is one I would recommend - The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha, Third Edition, New Revised Standard Version. It's got lots of excellent scholarly notes. I bought my own copy towards the end of last year.

 

[Simon39759]

Cheers Almighty Pharaoh. Good luck with the bingo! I find this thread tiring and so fast moving. I'm reading the Old Testament at the mo and have just finished Genesis, Daniel and am halfway through Ezekiel (Chapter 23 is great!). Old Testament God sure doesn't seem much like Jesus. Even cranky Jesus on a bad day.

Unless the Ammonites were a variety of fig tree...

 

[X]

Anybody who has read this thread knows what I'm saying. And I've already responded to your false assertion. I've listed the many highly detailed facts Luke got right at least 4 times. People who have read the thread know exactly what I'm saying and your big red shock words are trying to win on emotion and sensationalism rather than cool calm debate. If your argument had any meat to it you wouldn't need big red shock words.

Actually, I've given up trying to explain to you why it is a lie. It's been tried enough in the past to make it clear that you are not capable* of understanding.

I'm simply hoping that you'll realize claiming "Ramsay called Luke a great historian" will garner the response of "LIAR!", in big read letters.

Sort of like how I don't expect my dog to understand why it's wrong to poop on the carpet, but I do expect her to realize that "pooping on carpet" will result in a swat with newspaper and X being angry.


*I'm not saying you're too stupid to understand why it is a lie. I'm saying that you're so blinded by your faith and your need for this to be true, that you are incapable of evaluating such claims on an unbiased level.

He is unable to to even fathom how his clumsy lying and dishonesty could turn people away from his apologetics in disgust. Notice how he keeps attempting to smear carlitos but attempting to insinuate that Carlitos is either ignorant or was apparently not a Christian?

I am tempted to disagree. As I mentioned above, I think he is so utterly brainwashed by his faith that he honestly cannot understand why we consider what he says to be dishonest/fallacious/absurd/clumsy.




ETA: 24 to go! Any chance of evidence showing up before then?

 

[joobz]

ETA: 24 to go! Any chance of evidence showing up before then?

I'm hoping the evidence takes the form of the Current US president. It's clear that many of the founding fathers didn't believe that jesus was god. But what do we know about other presidents?

 

[carlitos]

Well, the multi-quote feature eludes me, as do many things.

DOC - Dude, I have been reading this thread for months. It's fascinating. I replied to your question already. I can't imagine why you think "one single post" would cause someone to lose faith in God, but you often defy imagination it seems. I heard a skeptic say that she "couldn't imagine God punishing us for using our brain that he had given us" or something to this effect. My discovery of the 9/11 Conspiracy Theory community led me to this site, where I see people JUST LIKE YOU defending claims of UFOs, bigfoot, and the Illuminati. All of these beliefs require similar faith and defy reason.

I only posted to you to let you know that your attempt to defend the indefensible has had the opposite effect in one case. I wanted you to pause and think about this. I really don't have any personal animus or a "horse in this race" as to whether the NT writers told the truth. If you were to be honest, you would say "it's faith." "Believe it or don't." Trust me, that's what the big churches have been saying since around 400 AD.

ETA - Actually, they didn't have the "or don't" for most of the time, now that I think about it. The Inquisition museum at Carcassone should have been my first clue. What they did to women's privates in particular in the name of the one true God was pretty horrific.

Lastly, my mentioning the shrimp thing was just random luck. Some of the Old Testament always seemed to me as a kind of science - don't eat this stuff; you'll get sick. Write it down, pass it on.

 

[Akhenaten]

Cheers Almighty Pharaoh. Good luck with the bingo! I find this thread tiring and so fast moving. I'm reading the Old Testament at the mo and have just finished Genesis, Daniel and am halfway through Ezekiel (Chapter 23 is great!). Old Testament God sure doesn't seem much like Jesus. Even cranky Jesus on a bad day.

Among the books on related topics for the second book is one I would recommend - The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha, Third Edition, New Revised Standard Version. It's got lots of excellent scholarly notes. I bought my own copy towards the end of last year.

I rather thought some bits of the old testament weren't a bad read, if somewhat heavy going. I'm a visual sort of person, and found some of the imagery fairly easy to conjure up in my mind's eye.

In the end though, tales of ancient Egypt won out.

I've never been a Christian at all, so to me the OT was 'just stories', and I've never seen any evidence that the NT was even that. Propoganda, I might call it, I guess.

Unless the Ammonites were a variety of fig tree...

Soon my Presssssshus, sssssoon.

 

[kmortis]

I rather thought some bits of the old testament weren't a bad read, if somewhat heavy going. I'm a visual sort of person, and found some of the imagery fairly easy to conjure up in my mind's eye.

In the end though, tales of ancient Egypt won out.

I've never been a Christian at all, so to me the OT was 'just stories', and I've never seen any evidence that the NT was even that. Propoganda, I might call it, I guess.









Soon my Presssssshus, sssssoon.

Well, except that the tales of ancient Egypt were all fabricated.