Things you like about Sarah Palin

Sarah Palin was a political nobody when she was given the role of McCain's running mate. Taking an outsider, an outspoken one with populist appeal at that, can be an effective strategy. It can be inspiring. Sometimes it does not work out. I can see why Republicans liked her at first. She was as strong female social conservative. She would help round out McCain's moderate conservatism. She was a popular governor, so that helped cement her standing. Yes, with retrospect it appears she was elected on a "not the previous guy" principle and for being a political outsider. Yes, her popularity had rapidly declined in light of a few issues and scandals. That is all retrospect though. It is a gamble to break out fresh political blood based on a first impression. Sometimes it works, sometimes it backfires. The gamble was taken and she has become a magnet for media attention, both liberal and conservative. She appears to love it despite speaking against it.

There is rhetoric against her that is definitely unfair and sexist. That is not new for women in politics, Hillary Clinton suffers under that to. Which is no excuse, it should be deplored. Other rhetoric she basically brings upon herself.
 
Whiplash said:
It seemed like a good idea at the time?

I must say, I don't know what to think about it anymore. When she first came on the stage, I was excited about having a strong female conservative on the scene. As time went on, and she would make gaffes and mistakes, I held onto the belief that she was actually probably just ignorant and inexperienced. I hoped that she would use the opportunity she had been given, and time she had before 2012, to really educate herself and get some more experience and so forth.. and come back as a strong, solid candidate. I believed her capable of this.

But I've got to be honest at this point. I no longer believe her capable of that. I think she is actually rather dim. And I stress that I do not want her as a candidate.

But I still feel sorry for her for the treatment she has received.
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I admit that there is a lot of unreasonable criticism leveled at Palin. That doesn't detract from the reasonable criticism of course.
 
Whiplash said:
I admit my defending her is about a defensive reaction based on partisanship more than anything else. I don't really want to defend her that much, honestly. I just get my hackles up when people get too over the line about it. Calling her nasty names and all that. It's uncalled for, for anyone.

I really don't like her much, and I cringe when she speaks now. I don't want her to get the nomination. I don't believe she will win either. I actually think that many are correct in the assumption that her winning the nomination is a win for Obama. I don't think this country is likely to elect her.

The only point I have tried to make is that it's irrational that people are so hateful of her if they really think she is no threat whatsoever. It doesn't matter how people spin it, that makes zero sense to me.

But I'm rapidly loosing interest in the subject, and any desire to defend her.
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Impressively honest, and honestly, refreshing.

SO now we are at the heart of the matter. My denouncement of her, is in part, in disgust that even a small portion of supposed intelligent people could see anything in her "president" worthy. The part is in opposition to what she stands for in terms of her political views (what few she has been able to articulate).

TAM:)
 
I like about Palin that she'll never get elected into any important office of the European Union.
I don't hate her, i find her disgusting ignorant and oppose everything I know about her politics.
Other than that there is a small piece of Schadenfreude that not only we (europians) have ignorant idiots in our political landscape.
 
Things I like about Palin?? Nothing... Not a GODDAMNED THING.. Sure she helped secure the presidency for Obama, but she also brought about some of the ugliest campaigning I've ever seen. I think she's a disgusting human being.. And that's coming from a guy that normally loves cute girls in glasses. Every time she makes one of her snarky little condescending, asshat remarks, I just want to grab the back of her head and smash it into a mirror and keep rubbing it in, until she fully realizes the level of her own idiotic hypocrisy... hence the mirror..

Too far?? :blush:
 
Gangularis said:
Things I like about Palin?? Nothing... Not a GODDAMNED THING.. Sure she helped secure the presidency for Obama, but she also brought about some of the ugliest campaigning I've ever seen.
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Yes, all those ugly attacks on her personally during the campaign were surely uncalled for.

I think she's a disgusting human being.. And that's coming from a guy that normally loves cute girls in glasses. Every time she makes one of her snarky little condescending, asshat remarks, I just want to grab the back of her head and smash it into a mirror and keep rubbing it in
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But at least you wouldn't be running an ugly campaign against anybody, now would you?

Really, not liking Sarah Palin is one thing. But this sort of Sarah Palin derangement syndrome surely has its origins in psychological, not political, reasons.

I think that unconsciously she reminds you of the ideal mother you never had, so, through transference, you transmit your Oedipal urges from violence against your real father to violence against this imaginary ideal mother. Naturally your deep desire for her must be denied through aggression.

Okay, not really -- that's just some pseudo-Freudian psychobabble I made up, but, hey, you tell me what a more logical reason for this sort of display of foaming-at-the-mouth declarations of desire to murder her.

P.S.

As for her "securing the presidency for Obama", actually she, if anything, helped McCain. Not enough, since Obama was far ahead anyway, and had most of the MSM -- except Fox, but we all know that's not a real news organization, as The One said after he was anointed -- grinding what was left of their credibility to scrap in an all-out effort to elect him, to boot. The result would almost certainly have been the same no matter who McCain chose.
 
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Skeptic said:
Yes, all those ugly attacks on her personally during the campaign were surely uncalled for.
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I'm not too sure what you're talking about here, but when considering someone for the job of Vice President of the United States (someone in a position with some likelihood to succeed to the presidency), it's entirely appropriate to evaluate the person.

The first introduction we as a nation had to Ms. Palin was a pack of lies. Her first interview showed her to be someone ill-informed and inexperienced, and to be a liar. I think pointing out these problems was entirely appropriate.

I guarantee you, if she had not accepted the nomination to be a VP candidate, none of these personal "attacks" would have occurred.
 
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I'm not too sure what you're talking about here, but when considering someone for the job of Vice President of the United States (someone in a position with some likelihood to succeed to the presidency), it's entirely appropriate to evaluate the person.
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Actually I agree 100%. I would go further, and indeed said at the time of the attacks on Palin during the 2008 campaign dominated the oh-so-"objective" main stream media, that even if the attacks are totally unfair, or personal, you expect a potential VP of the USA to be able to handle a hostile press. After all, that would be the least of their adversaries once elected. This doesn't make the attacks fair or reasonable, but one shouldn't whine about it.

My comment here was sarcastic, noting that the poster I replied to first blamed Palin for "running a vicious campaign" (actually, I think she didn't, but never mind) and then stating he would actually like to violently kill her whenever she speaks, apparently being totally unaware of the viciousness of his own feelings and statements.

When it comes to Palin -- and for that matter to any other successful or charismatic Rrght-wing politician -- many on the left scream, as the poster I replied to did, that they would like to kill this hateful right winger.

These folks are literally repeating Tom Lehrer's introduction to the "National Brotherhood Week" song: "We should love our fellow human beings, and we all know some people who don't love their fellow man, and I HATE people like that". Only, unlike Lehrer, they are serious.
 
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Skeptic said:
Actually I agree 100%. I would go further, and indeed said at the time of the attacks on Palin during the 2008 campaign dominated the oh-so-"objective" main stream media, that even if the attacks are totally unfair, or personal, you expect a potential VP of the USA to be able to handle a hostile press. After all, that would be the least of their adversaries once elected. This doesn't make the attacks fair or reasonable, but one shouldn't whine about it.
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I don't quite follow this (the last sentence). You say one should expect this treatment, but it doesn't mean this treatment is reasonable? I think it is reasonable to get a job interview by a potential employer. (That'd be we the people.)

My comment here was sarcastic,
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I definitely missed that.


When it comes to Palin -- and for that matter to any other successful or charismatic Rrght-wing politician -- many on the left scream, as the poster I replied to did, that they would like to kill this hateful right winger.
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Really?! The only screaming like that I heard was done by Palin supporters about Obama. I'm sure you have examples of people on the left screaming that they'd like to kill Palin?

Please note, even Gangularis' hyperbolic violent image was about making Palin realize something, so it obviously wasn't about wishing to kill her. Also, the emoticon seems to indicate that he was being facetious. Death threats against Obama were not meant as jokes--at least not all of them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/04/john-turnpaugh-obama-deat_n_411172.html (this is an AP story)
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/National_News_2/article_6754.shtml
http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=1137
http://www.cbc.ca/world/usvotes/story/2008/08/07/obama-threat.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...reats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html
 
Whiplash said:
No ****, really????
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Yes. So criticism of her isn't motivated by anything against her personally.

So there's really no need to defend her in that regard, which, as has been mentioned, is about the only kind of defending Sarah Palin we've seen.
 
And liberals continue to demean her in a manner they would never stand for being said about one of their own female politicians. You can't make this **** up. It's just sad.
 
Whiplash said:
And liberals continue to demean her in a manner they would never stand for being said about one of their own female politicians. You can't make this **** up. It's just sad.
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Considering Hillary Clinton has been hammered just as heavily, and from my perspective more, as Sarah Palin I disagree with this statement. There is still a problem with sexism within liberal circles. I doubt there is any broad based political movement that has managed to eliminate sexism from its ranks. Claiming this is primarily a problem among liberals I feel is disingenuous or ignorant.

I am open to Hillary may not have been hammered more and that it is merely my perspective in that I paid more attention to the Democratic Presidential primaries and she has been in national politics much longer than Sarah Palin.

I have witnessed sexist fueled paranoia and attacks against Hillary as well as other prominent female liberals from liberals. Quite a bit came out during Democratic Presidential Primaries.

I also saw some of this from conservatives launched at Sarah Palin periodically.
 
Whiplash said:
And liberals continue to demean her in a manner they would never stand for being said about one of their own female politicians. You can't make this **** up. It's just sad.
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If you are refering to the porn thing(quoteing makes it easier to tell what you are taking issue with). Well they had someone playing Obama who looked rather like him too in at least some sceens.

The issue is that she is very attractive. If there was a someone from the democratic party who made as big a splash as her and was as hot, I think you would see porn about it as well. She is a contemperary cultural icon, and porn has always been quick to cash in on things that are trendy. See porn spoofs of popular movies.
 
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