Playing to the ignorant or actually that ignorant?

Skeptic Ginger

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The right wing talking points have been echoing the stupidity that because it is snowing more than usual in DC and the surrounding areas, that proves global warming is not occurring.

I don't want to argue with the agw deniers in this thread. Please go away if you want to argue against the overwhelming science. I want instead to gloat over the ignorance of the current barrage of stupid comments in the media coming from all the right wing talking heads.

Do these guys know how dumb they sound? Even if you wanted to argue the science against agw, the fact it is snowing in DC is not supporting evidence. Are they really that dumb or are they just faking it for their target market audience?


And I only did a cursory look for duplicate threads so Mods should feel free to merge this one if I missed a similar thread already started.
 
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To be fair, single weather events are also wrongly touted as evidence of global warming.
Both positions are wrong.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
The right wing talking points have been echoing the stupidity that because it is snowing more than usual in DC and the surrounding areas, that proves global warming is not occurring.

I don't want to argue with the agw deniers in this thread. Please go away if you want to argue against the overwhelming science. I want instead to gloat over the ignorance of the current barrage of stupid comments in the media coming from all the right wing talking heads.

Do these guys know how dumb they sound? Even if you wanted to argue the science against agw, the fact it is snowing in DC is not supporting evidence. Are they really that dumb or are they just faking it for their target market audience?


And I only did a cursory look for duplicate threads so Mods should feel free to merge this one if I missed a similar thread already started.
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Was it ignorant to say that Katrina was caused by global warming? Or was it ignorant to say that Haiti earthquake was caused by global warming? There are tons of assertions along those lines in media on an almost constant basis.

Oh, and my favorite is when there is a massive snowstorm like the one that hit the east coast, and that is evidence of global warming.
 
You want to gloat over ignorance. You believe that the science is overwhelming.

You should have changed the other part of your name.
 
The science about AGW is not overwhelming. Silly to state that it is and then claim not to want any argument about it. Better to not take a position on it on your own OP. I think you've rather made it on topic.
 
When the OP's entire argument is based on blatantly begging the question, it is entirely on-topic to discuss the question being begged. Indeed, to do otherwise would be... unskeptical.
 
Francesca R said:
The science about AGW is not overwhelming. Silly to state that it is and then claim not to want any argument about it. Better to not take a position on it on your own OP. I think you've rather made it on topic.
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While I am not defending the tone of the OP, the science is pretty much settled amongst the vast majority of climate scientist (not funded by the oil industry).

Daredelvis
 
While the recent blizzards aren't evidence of anything in particular, suggesting that they're evidence against global warming is particularly amusing because blizzards require an influx of warmer air to occur.
 
El Niño, it helped kill a lot of hurricanes last summer by blowing the tops off the systems, and our weather man said last summber that it would cause a wetter winter and cooler winter for us in Florida and it has been, and it seems to be causing more snow up north. El Niño are caused by warming.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
MikeMangum said:
Was it ignorant to say that Katrina was caused by global warming?
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One hundred percent correct to say that the storm was caused by global warming.

The catastrophe that followed was caused by Ronald Reagan.

Or was it ignorant to say that Haiti earthquake was caused by global warming?
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Can you link me to someplace where somebody made that dirt dumb statement? I shall probably encopunter him trolling some other board and may need that to rub in his face. Obviously, it was not made by a rational person or a qualified scientist. (Well,, least ways not very rational if you have cited him in proper context.)

Oh, and my favorite is when there is a massive snowstorm like the one that hit the east coast, and that is evidence of global warming.
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Well, DUH! Of course it is. Something pushed a bunch of cold air out of the Artic when the jet stream bobbled. Where I live, we are now getting weather far warmer than we are supposed to get.

One bloody great deal warmer.

So, yes, the blizzard is totally consistant with AGW.

Do learn the difference between climate and weather.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Are they really that dumb or are they just faking it for their target market audience?
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I'm voting really that dumb for some of them.

The rest, neither one, quite. I think some of them are echoing the stupid from the other side, without sufficient thought to be called truly stupid. In other words, someone claims a heat wave or a hurricane (or an earthquake? seriously?) is caused by global warming. AGW denier finds this funny, but turns around and says blizzard is proof of no global warming. In other words, they aren't intending to actually make a sound argument, but merely to rebut an unsound one.

Their method isn't exactly on solid intellectual ground. It's more of a "Yeah, well what about Katrina?" "Yeah, well what about the blizzard?" It's about as intellectually sound as, say, some yapping on an internet forum.

ETA: For example, Vancouver has had a warm, dry, January, which will mean lots of discussion of Olympics with no snow coming up. Undoubtedly, such a high profile event will be touted as proof of global warming. It isn't, but that won't stop people from saying it.
 
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Careyp74 said:
Haiti
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/hurricane-ike-47090901

And Katrina
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1099102,00.html

This is just one example of each, but searching brings up much more.
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er... both articles relate the individual events as part of larger patterns that are evidence for global warming rather than saying the events, themselves, prove global warming.

Juxtapose that against those who claim that a single cold day or cold winter disproves global warming.
 
Twenty years ago, huge schools of makeral appeared in the Straits of Juan de Fuca and started ambushinbg salmon fingerlings on their way oput to sea. They wrought havoc with several runs since then. There is less time now between appearances of the makeral. Herring stocks are also declining, partly from over-fishing and predatation, partly from spawning failures due to over-heated waters.

Ten years ago, sardines appeared off the coast of British Columbia. The three reported catches of marlin off the coast of Washington occurred during this time frame.

Now the Humboldt squid are moving north. I have heard confirmed reports of their appearing on the coast of Washington and unconfirmed reports that they have reached Vancouver.

This is climate, not weather.
 
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