Haitian earthquake was used as an excuse for US invasion

NWO Sentryman said:
Obama is his own man and accountable to the senate (Note: Impeachment) and the people (Tea Parties, although that was a bad example)

Ortega is untrustworthy given his past history of persecuting the miskito and chavez, is well, chavez.

A good indicator of accountability: Freedom House. Nicaragua and Venezuela are "Partly free" wiht nicaragua going down 1 point on Political Rights between 2005-2009, wiht venezuela going down 1 point on both Political and Civil Rights between 2005-2009 while while the USA is "Free" and has been keeping consistent between 2005-2009.
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US Presidents are free to lie and mislead with impunity and you write about the persecuting the Mistiko as if the Pentagon/CIA don't exist. It's gossip column, cartoon politics.
 
JihadJane said:
US Presidents are free to lie and mislead with impunity and you write about the persecuting the Mistiko as if the Pentagon/CIA don't exist. It's gossip column, cartoon politics.
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Ortega admitted to persecuting the Miskito. And there was a 1986 documentary about the persecution which may ahve been as bad as the ethnic cleansing in the 90s in Bosnia.

And presidents' lies are caught out. Case in Point, Nixon.
 
JihadJane said:
Am I supposed to know about your subversive activities by intuition?
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Well, I did already clarify for you that I did indeed live in the US, so it should follow that any anti-government activities I have been involved in would be directed at that government. Though thinking about it now, the idea of me, in my fortified Florida Swamp Bunker, somehow being involved in covert ops in numerous countries around the world probaby fits right into your world view, so I apologize for that remark.

To clarify, yes, I have been involved in armed groups that resisted actions of the US government. Never violently, but still.

You also dodged the question of how I was in error.
 
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Rogue1stclass said:
Ever feel like you are chasing your tail?
We have explained to you that the US military is very good at moving stuff very rapidly.
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Then please explain why after a week after the disaster struck hardly any food and medical aid actually got to the Haitian people, it was all stacked up at the airport. Could they have been securing their own vast supply network first? I understand very little is getting through after 3 weeks. Did you read the article by the US general ?

Here is an extract from an article by a right wing British newspaper, note there is about a two day window before irreversible infection sets in from crush injuries

It is a tale of two cities. One has ice-cold beers, internet access, thousands of men and billions of dollars’ worth of gleaming machinery, together with piles of food, blankets, generators and other aid relief from around the globe. This is the heavily fortified US-controlled Port-au-Prince airport and neighbouring United Nations compound.

The other is the devastated city of Port-au-Prince, where the stench of death fills the air and starving people are in utter despair, still in need of the basic necessities of food, water, shelter and medical care. Never, in more than 20 years of covering disasters, has the void between the might and power of the Westernised world and the penniless and pitiful people they have been mobilised to ‘save’ been so glaringly obvious to me.

The airport, now fully under the control of the US military, is like something out of a Hollywood action film. Choppers whirl overhead. Huge vehicles rumble around filled with men in uniform. Large passenger and cargo jets, emblazoned with flags from around the globe, sit on the tarmac. Some were being emptied of their crates of food, milk powder, rice and water. Others just sat idle. Swarms of US military personnel and coastguards were busying themselves by working on their gleaming vehicles and aircraft. Hundreds of blue-helmeted UN soldiers lined one edge of the runway but, during the hour I watched them, went nowhere as they visibly started wilting in the blazing 32C Caribbean heat
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...itians--UN-staff-wi-fi-bar.html#ixzz0evmHIzHI
 
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NWO Sentryman said:
Ortega admitted to persecuting the Miskito. And there was a 1986 documentary about the persecution which may ahve been as bad as the ethnic cleansing in the 90s in Bosnia.

And presidents' lies are caught out. Case in Point, Nixon.
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I haven't denied that the the Miskito have been persecuted but you used this to support your argument that Obama, currently involved in slaughtering peasants in several countries, is a more trustworthy source by comparison.

The Nixon story hides a deeper history.



Rogue1stclass said:
Well, I did already clarify for you that I did indeed live in the US, so it should follow that any anti-government activities I have been involved in would be directed at that government. Though thinking about it now, the idea of me, in my fortified Florida Swamp Bunker, somehow being involved in covert ops in numerous countries around the world probaby fits right into your world view, so I apologize for that remark.

To clarify, yes, I have been involved in armed groups that resisted actions of the US government. Never violently, but still.

You also dodged the question of how I was in error.
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No, I didn't "dodge" your question - I was waiting for clarification about your military activities. The ideology I had in mind was right wing militarism.

Your version of the history of Haiti/US relations is highly sanitized, ignoring, for example, the active US role in promoting the thug coup it later gave up on ("overthrew"), after the coup gang slaughtered thousands of the opposition.
 
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perseus said:
Then please explain why after a week after the disaster struck hardly any food and medical aid actually got to the Haitian people, it was all stacked up at the airport. Could they have been securing their own vast supply network first? I understand very little is getting through after 3 weeks.
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Usually when there is a disaster, there is a system and infrastructure of logistics for relief efforts already in place on the ground to help the aid to arrive. In Haïti's case, there wasn't such a system there, the UN and aid NGOs were themselves homeless and/or destroyed, and communication was down.

They have to take care of the earthquake victims, thousands of refugees, famine, prevent the spread of disease and epidemics, rebuild communications from scratch, all this without a government in place, no infrastructures, one small airport, a naval port that's been destroyed, roads that often are unusable and very few trucks available on the ground.

"L'île ne possède pas suffisamment de camions pour acheminer les denrées, explique Philippe Ryfman, des stocks restent bloqués à l'aéroport".
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http://www.respectmag.com/ha%C3%AFti-laide-humanitaire-est-elle-trop-lente

translation: "The island doesn't have enough trucks available to transport the aid, says Philippe Ryfman, stockpiles are clogged at the airport."


I expect this post to be ignored and the conspiracy theorists to not look at reality and stick to their original idea as per usual.
 
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So now we are using the "Corporate Controlled Media" card, which is a nice way of dismissing any evidence that disagrees with wack conspriacy theories.
 
JihadJane said:
I haven't denied that the the Miskito have been persecuted but you used this to support your argument that Obama, currently involved in slaughtering peasants in several countries, is a more trustworthy source by comparison.
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Obama is accountable to the american people and can be removed from office at the whims of the senate.

And the us is not slaughtering peasants in several countries.

How many times do i have to tell you? The United States military is NOT the Mongol Hordes.
 
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It's the usual "America is evil" conspiracy theory.

The conspiracy theorists live in an Avatar-like world, where the noble, environmentally friendly natives fight against evil corporations and armies. The reality in Haiti is the exact opposite: the noble environment killed 100,000+ close-to-the-land authentic people in a few seconds, and the evil capitalist corporations and the disgusting American armed forces are sending money, troops, and supplies to save as many as they can, no questions asked.

This, of course, is typically the case: the allegedly "noble" and "natural" primitive tribes actually live in a society where violent death, exploitation of women, destruction of the environment to the best of one's ability to maximize short-term gains, and intolerance towards anybody that is different are on a far higher level than in the "corrupt west".

Much like life in the "paradise of the workers" is far worse for the workers themselves than life in the "exploiting capitalistic west", or life in the "Cradle of Islam" is far worse for Muslims themselves than in the "Islamophobic" west.

This sort of environmentalism is really the new communism: what reality is like doesn't matter. All that matters -- all the conspiracy theorists actually know, or think they know, about Communism, Islam, or primitive tribes -- is that they lived by a different set of rules than the USA; that, ipso facto, makes them good and noble and ideal.
 
And the us is not slaughtering peasants in several countries.
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Covertly and Overtly it most definitely does, here are just 3 examples taken at random

Source Iraqi casualties March 2003 to...
Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths. June 2006
Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths. June 2006
Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 violent deaths as a result of the conflict. August 2007
Associated Press 110,600 violent deaths April 2009
Iraq Body Count 94,902 – 103,549 violent civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. December 2009
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"So, let’s imagine how [the September 11th 2001 attacks] could have been worse for example. Suppose that on September 11, Al-Qaeda had bombed the White House and killed the President, instituted a murderous, brutal regime which killed maybe 50,000 to 100,000 people and tortured about 700,000, set up a major international terrorist center in Washington, which was overthrowing governments all over the world, and installing brutal vicious neo-Nazi dictatorships, assassinating people. Suppose he called in a bunch of economists, let’s call them the 'Kandahar Boys' to run the American economy, who within a couple of years had driven the economy into one of the worst collapses of its history. Suppose this had happened. That would have been worse than 9/11, right? But it did happen. And it happened on 9/11. That happened on September 11, 1973 in Chile. The only thing you have to change is this per capita equivalence, which is the right way to look at it. Well, did that change the world? Yeah, it did but not from our point of view, in fact, who even knows about it? Incidentally, just to finish, because we [the U.S.] were responsible for that one." — Noam Chomsky.
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43,000 deaths during the Contra War
The International Court of Justice, in regard to the case of Nicaragua v. United States of America in 1984, found; "the United States of America was under an obligation to make reparation to the Republic of Nicaragua for all injury caused to Nicaragua by certain breaches of obligations under customary international law and treaty-law committed by the United States of America".[52] But was rejected citing the 'Connally Amendment', which excludes from the International court of Justice's jurisdiction "disputes with regard to matters that are essentially within the jurisdiction of the United States of America, determined by the United States of America"[53]
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even I think the US army and the USA in general (scientology excluded)(also other nations) are doing a pretty good job in helping the people in Haiti.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
How many times do i have to tell you? The United States military is NOT the Mongol Hordes.
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A keen observation. The United States military-industrial complex is the United States military-industrial complex.

In answer to your question, you can tell me that the United States military is NOT the Mongol Hordes as many times as you like but, as you never asked me before, let's play it by ear, shall we?


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even I think the US army and the USA in general (scientology excluded)(also other nations) are doing a pretty good job in helping the people in Haiti.
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The "Shock Doctrine" for Haiti

The U.S. is reviving what Haitians call "the plan of death."
 
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JihadJane said:
A keen observation. The United States military-industrial complex is the United States military-industrial complex.

In answer to your question, you can tell me that the United States military is NOT the Mongol Hordes as many times as you like but, as you never asked me before, let's play it by ear, shall we?





The "Shock Doctrine" for Haiti

The U.S. is reviving what Haitians call "the plan of death."
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Looking through your links ,it seems that site is chocked full of lies and gross distortions!
No wonder you love it so much!
 
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