Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

[Fulcanelli]

Not true.

Amanda testified she was at Solliecito's at 11:30 AM:

I 'know' what she 'testified' on the stand, but that's the whole point, several crucial things she stated on the stand completely contradict what she had told police, entered into her diary etc, before. Another excellent example is her claim of the time the the leak under the sink occurred and what time they had dinner. Her testimony on the stand completely contradicts those times.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

monster

So you, and Halides, are contending that the call to his sister was, in fact, a formal report leading to the sending of uniformed officers to the cottage to investigate the suspected, at the time, burglary?

That's interesting. Do you have a link showing this?


And I'm accused of being disingenuous because I, rightfully so, believe the "Monster of Florence" case/conviction of Mignini has nothing do to with this case?

BobTheDonkey,

I never used the word "formal;" therefore, you are distorting what I sad. My point is that Sollecito's call to his sister is little different from an informal conversation with any member of the caribinieri would have been.

I have already documented two areas in which this case is informed by the Monster of Florence case (pp. 325-326 in the eponymous book, and the cites I gave). I suggest you take your well-thumbed copy and turn to page 304 to refresh your memory for another.

Chris

 

[Fulcanelli]

My point about Amanda and Meredith's sharing a bathroom is that there wold be a greater chance of finding Amanda's DNA mixed with Meredith's blood in the bathroom than the other two flatmates' DNA.

There is DNA from three unknown individuals on the bra clasp alone.

But no chance of the transference of anyone else's DNA in there by contamination? Like with the bra clasp?

And what of Amanda's DNA mixed with Meredith's blood in Filomena's room and none of Filomena's DNA mixed in with it? What are the 'chances' for that?

And this isthe problem with your whole argument of defence. Essentially, you argue to blame all the evidence on 'chance'. And the problem with that is all these 'chances' mount up to the point it can no longer be chance.

 

[Kestrel]

I 'know' what she 'testified' on the stand, but that's the whole point, several crucial things she stated on the stand completely contradict what she had told police, entered into her diary etc, before. Another excellent example is her claim of the time the the leak under the sink occurred and what time they had dinner. Her testimony on the stand completely contradicts those times.

You claimed that Amanda said she was at the cottage at 11:30 and I just proved your claim was false. You made a false statement with the intent proving she lied about where she was and didn't expect anyone to check.

 

[Fulcanelli]

BobTheDonkey,

I never used the word "formal;" therefore, you are distorting what I sad. My point is that Sollecito's call to his sister is little different from an informal conversation with any member of the caribinieri would have been.

I have already documented two areas in which this case is informed by the Monster of Florence case (pp. 325-326 in the eponymous book, and the cites I gave). I suggest you take your well-thumbed copy and turn to page 304 to refresh your memory for another.

Chris

Despite what your point is, it's pointless because however you bend and twist it, the fact remains that Raffaele did NOT call the police 'long before' he called the carabinieri via his sister, since the call to his sister was made only one minute before he called the police. When he called the police, the Postal Police were there and had been there a long time. When he called his sister, the Postal Police were there and had been there a long time. Therefore, your 'point' is actually a non-point.

 

[Fulcanelli]

You claimed that Amanda said she was at the cottage at 11:30 and I just proved your claim was false. You made a false statement with the intent proving she lied about where she was and didn't expect anyone to check.

You need to reread my post. Your 'proof' is what she said on the stand. What she said on the stand, contradicts what she said earlier.

Take a bit more time to read posts. You may then comprehend them. We know you tend to miss a lot of things.

 

[Fulcanelli]

BobTheDonkey,

I never used the word "formal;" therefore, you are distorting what I sad. My point is that Sollecito's call to his sister is little different from an informal conversation with any member of the caribinieri would have been.

I have already documented two areas in which this case is informed by the Monster of Florence case (pp. 325-326 in the eponymous book, and the cites I gave). I suggest you take your well-thumbed copy and turn to page 304 to refresh your memory for another.

Chris

As for your documentation...that requires 'credible' sources. Not Preston and Spezi.

 

[Fulcanelli]

There is DNA from three unknown individuals on the bra clasp alone.

False. Two. One of the individuals is Amanda Knox. You fail to mention the other two are partial profiles that are such trace, they can't be reconstructed. Shared house, shared laundry facilities, they are to be expected. A copious sample from Raffaele, indicationg direct and vigorous contact is not.

As for the bathroom, only the top layer of the stains was swabbed. That means Amanda's DNA was mixed 'in' with Meredith's blood and this had happened while the blood was fresh. Moreover, Amanda's DNA profiles in those samples are not trace, such as those of the two strangers on the clasp you identify, but full profiles.

 

[Kestrel]

You need to reread my post. Your 'proof' is what she said on the stand. What she said on the stand, contradicts what she said earlier.

Take a bit more time to read posts. You may then comprehend them. We know you tend to miss a lot of things.

B.S.

You made this explicit claim in your post:

According to Amanda and Raffaele, they went to the cottage at about 11:30.

Amanda's testimony clearly stated that she went back at RS's place at 11:30. RS was at home, not at the cottage.

 

[Alt+F4]

Another excellent example is her claim of the time the the leak under the sink occurred and what time they had dinner. Her testimony on the stand completely contradicts those times.

The whole mop thing is confusing. AK said they were taking the mop to RS's apartment to clean up a leak from the night before because he didn't have a mop.

However, the cleaning lady testified that she mopped his apartment on a weekly basis.

 

[Kestrel]

The whole mop thing is confusing. AK said they were taking the mop to RS's apartment to clean up a leak from the night before because he didn't have a mop.

However, the cleaning lady testified that she mopped his apartment on a weekly basis.

The cleaning lady testified to cleaning RS's apartment. In fact, Rosa cleaned RS's apartment on Nov. 5th, the day before the Police collected evidence from the apartment. (It smelled clean because it had recently been cleaned). Did she ever testify to using a mop and that was kept in the apartment?

While you are at it, did the police find any trace of Meredith's blood on the mop?

 

[Fulcanelli]

B.S.

You made this explicit claim in your post:


Amanda's testimony clearly stated that she went back at RS's place at 11:30. RS was at home, not at the cottage.

Let's try this again, obviously you are having problems computing...in her version BEFORE the testimony she gave on the stand. Do you have a problem understanding the word 'before'?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/before

Let me know if you need any more help.

 

[Fulcanelli]

While you are at it, did the police find any trace of Meredith's blood on the mop?

No testimony on the matter was given.

Despite the fact you can only prove the presence of blood, not whose it was, what would it prove?

Incidentally, the defence offered no data or argument to claim its absence.

 

[Kestrel]

Let's try this again, obviously you are having problems computing...in her version BEFORE the testimony she gave on the stand. Do you have a problem understanding the word 'before'?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/before

Let me know if you need any more help.

Yet again you revert to insults instead of arguments.

 

[BobTheDonkey]

Fiona,

With due respect you are missing my point. Raffaele's call to his sister was a call to the police because she was a member of the carabinieri. I have not advanced this argument before, and I do not recall seeing it from anyone else. I would hazard a guess to the effect that she was off-duty at the time but point out that their conversation is unlikely to be legally privileged. I am not sure what you mean by belief in this instance. We agree that he called his sister. Do we not agree that she was a carabinieri?

Chris

So, this post of your was not, in fact, claiming that the call to Sollecito's sister would count as calling the Police? I'm a bit confused.

 

[shuttlt]

Yet again you revert to insults instead of arguments.

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but Falcanelli seems to be saying that Amanda claimed to be at her own appartment around 11:30 during her original statements around the time of the murder. Falcanelli then goes on to say that at the trial she said she was at Raffaele's at 11:30. You seem to be arguing that in the trial she said she was at Raddaele's at 11:30. Surely this is in agreement with, not contradicting Falcanelli?

 

[Chris_Halkides]

And what of Amanda's DNA mixed with Meredith's blood in Filomena's room and none of Filomena's DNA mixed in with it? What are the 'chances' for that?

There is no way to tell whether Filomena's DNA was anywhere or mixed with anything without a reference sample.

 

[Alt+F4]

Did she ever testify to using a mop and that was kept in the apartment?

She did testify that she mopped his apartment every week. She wasn't asked if there was a mop in the apartment or if she brought one with her. Very simple to clear up, I'm sure she will be asked on appeal.

Wouldn't it be more reasonable to just clean up the spill with towels at the time rather than just leave it there overnight with the potential of slipping on it?

While you are at it, did the police find any trace of Meredith's blood on the mop?

Was it tested? What if it was cleaned with bleach?

 

[shuttlt]

So, this post of your was not, in fact, claiming that the call to Sollecito's sister would count as calling the Police? I'm a bit confused.

I've no idea what purpose this argument about the whether phoning his sister counts as a call to the police, particularly if it was only a minute before his call to the actual police. I take it the claim isn't that the police arrived in that minute and he phoned the police while letting the police in to the appartment with Amanda?

Hypothetically it might have seemed safer, with the police already there to phone his sister and get her to call the police, than to call the police himself. She tells him to call the police himself, and hence the call one minute later.

 

[shuttlt]

There is no way to tell whether Filomena's DNA was anywhere or mixed with anything without a reference sample.

Was there definately no reference sample taken?