Merged bullet hole in the windshield of JFK's limo/ You might be...

[7forever]

Why are you showing us a bullet hole from a different car? You did it in a manner designed to cause confusion. This is dishonest, to say the least.

I used these words and did not try and deceive anyone..."The clear bullet hole I posted is strikingly similar to frame 255." I said it was similar and think it's pretty clear it wasn't the same hole or car. I came across it online and it looked alot like the one next to the mirror. It was a young woman driving at 2am and a bullet came through her windshield.

 

[7forever]

WTF...No crack or hole at Parkland?

I find the photographic evidence fascinating and will side with Altgens all day since he took his pic 1.5 seconds after both men were struck with bullets but this right here is damn weird. There is no visible hole or crack to be seen at Parkland. Unless the picture was altered or it's not the right car.

 

[kookbreaker]

I find the photographic evidence fascinating and will side with Altgens all day since he took his pic 1.5 seconds after both men were struck with bullets but this right here is damn weird. There is no visible hole or crack to be seen at Parkland. Unless the picture was altered or it's not the right car.

Camera resolution is not infinite and the windshield is not what the camera is focused on. It is not a massive crack in the first place, so it is not terribly surprising it is not clearly visible.

BTW, you once again write poorly. You claim the photo was taken 1.5 seconds after both men were hit, and yet the car is obviously stopped and unoccupied. Do you want to reword that?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Hey 7forever I checked some of you out on some other forums, and I noticed that while you were posting here claiming that the shot passed through the windshield, you were also claiming the driver shot JFK on other forums.

So which is it?

I'm curious about this myself, now...

 

[7forever]

Pretty nasty video but watchable

There is some very nasty stuff online with real murders.This shows a guy getting shot from the front and of course he goes back. From what I've seen a suicide with the gun up close won't always launch the body back alot but from a distance, like Kennedy and this guy, it's a violent backward motion. It appears he's shot from some elevation and his left.

http://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V4224

 

[RoboTimbo]

I find the photographic evidence fascinating and will side with Altgens all day since he took his pic 1.5 seconds after both men were struck with bullets but this right here is damn weird. There is no visible hole or crack to be seen at Parkland. Unless the picture was altered or it's not the right car.

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It can be seen to the left of the rear view mirror in the top two pictures. Thanks for providing those pics at Parkland Hospital showing the wagonwheel crack. That's good evidence that it is the same windshield that the Warren Commission examined.

Why were you saying that you thought there was a bullet hole in it again?

ETA: Now I understand why you showed that unrelated picture of a windshield with a bullet hole. It's for the contrast between a windshield with a hole in it and the windshield from the presidential limousine with a wagonwheel crack.

 

[7forever]

Every picture tells a story

I paused it at the exact moment this guy was shot and it reveals some interesting things. You see the distortion of his face and the smoke but not the fake red thing over the shot like you see in 313. I believe that was placed over the right front entrance so it could NOT be positively identified visually.

 

[7forever]

It can be seen to the left of the rear view mirror in the top two pictures. Thanks for providing those pics at Parkland Hospital showing the wagonwheel crack. That's good evidence that it is the same windshield that the Warren Commission examined.

Why were you saying that you thought there was a bullet hole in it again?

ETA: Now I understand why you showed that unrelated picture of a windshield with a bullet hole. It's for the contrast between a windshield with a hole in it and the windshield from the presidential limousine with a wagonwheel crack.

You see something that is not there in the pic at parkland. Not even the crack from the windshield replacement is visible.

 

[RoboTimbo]

You see something that is not there in the pic at parkland. Not even the crack from the windshield replacement is visible.

Because of the pic's low resolution, you can't see it as well as the third pic but you can clearly make out the two mostly horizontal cracks. Flip the pic and overlay it with the third pic and see if the angle of those two cracks isn't the same.

Good job debunking the hole in the windshield. Would you like to start a thread about the driver shooting Kennedy?

 

[beachnut]

... you fail on each post

 

[twinstead]

Wow. The "Fake red thing"? Really? Ouch.

 

[332nd]

I paused it at the exact moment this guy was shot and it reveals some interesting things. You see the distortion of his face and the smoke but not the fake red thing over the shot like you see in 313.

Why am I not surprised that you think brain matter is fake...











(awaits a lame "well yeah!!!! you guys!11!!")

 

[PB2007]

7forever - This is a mess. If you want to present "evidence" go ahead but be clear in what you are saying. You just seem to be posting random photos and random comments. In the last 3 photos 2 have been flipped from left to right (look at the steering wheel and the angle of the mirror). Flip them back and look again...

I suspect you won't see anything you don't want to see though...

 

[7forever]

Kennedy windshield timeline

Taken before 255 and most likely before elm street. Clean windshield.

The altgens pic at 255 shows two defects with one by the mirror looking more like a hole with the some darkness in the middle, indicating a hole.

Here's an awesome close-up bullet hole that looks very similar to 255. You have the dark hole in the middle surrounded by frothy white.

No visible hole or crack at Parkland.

The official photo that shows only a crack right of the mirror.

The photo evidence shows there was no damage to the windshield prior to Elm street. After Kennedy and Connally were both shot by seperate bullets from opposite directions, Altgens takes a picture that shows two defects in the windshield with one looking more like a hole. A photo at Parkland is taken soon after the assassination and neither a crack or hole is visible to the naked eye.

The official photo shows only a small crack that is clearly right of the apparent hole seen in altgens photo with no defect below the mirror that is clearly seen in altgens. There is also a pic by altgens taken at 337 that shows the frothy white from the opposite view of 255 as the limo speeds off. Any serious researcher can take a look at zapruder frame 225 and after to see how Connally reacts to the bullet as it passes his head on the left side after it comes through the windshield. The goverment clearly replaced the windhshield and made a failed attempt at manufacturing a crack in the windshield where the hole was and can be seen in altgens 255. They failed miserably to say the least. Connally was struck from the rear somewhere between frames 234-238. After viewing the film himself, Connnally said he was hit at 234 which is only a half second after Kennedy was hit from the front.

 

[kookbreaker]

The altgens pic at 255 shows two defects with one by the mirror looking more like a hole with the some darkness in the middle, indicating a hole.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever

You are reading way, way, way too much into a photo that is out-of-focus reflecting light and has multiple dichotomies of light and shadow behind it.

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Here's an awesome close-up bullet hole that looks very similar to 255. You have the dark hole in the middle surrounded by frothy white.
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And is of no relevance whatsoever as the Limo windshield was not penetrated.

No visible hole or crack at Parkland.
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Poor focus on the windshield, why do you expect it would be visible? Even as such there is more than a hint of the windshield crack in that photo

The official photo that shows only a crack right of the mirror.
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Taken from the front of the car. Funny how getting on the other side of something does that.

The photo evidence shows there was no damage to the windshield prior to Elm street. After Kennedy and Connally were both shot by seperate bullets from opposite directions, Altgens takes a picture that shows two defects in the windshield with one looking more like a hole. A photo at Parkland is taken soon after the assassination and neither a crack or hole is visible to the naked eye.

The official photo shows only a small crack that is clearly right of the apparent hole seen in altgens photo with no defect below the mirror that is clearly seen in altgens.

Wrong. It is certainly not 'clear'. The windshield is well out of focus and anyone who know about photographing glass knows what that means. Even so, there is the hint of the crack although you would be hard pressed to declare it to be anything of note without the corresponding properly focused photo of the windshield crack.

I wonder if you have ever handled a camera in your life that didn't try to do everything for you (shutter speed, focus, etc.)

 

[CurtC]

You seem to have ignored the clearer picture that I posted of the Altgens photo:

What's clear from this are two things:

1) The crack which starts to the side of the mirror has not yet happened, and

2) The white spot below the mirror is something white behind Connally. I think it's Kennedy's shirt, but it's clear that it's not on the windshield.

Sorry 7forever, your ideas are original but don't stand up to the evidence.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Perhaps. 7forever, you could, you know, give some evidence that the windshield was surreptitiously replaced or something? Testimonials from the people who replaced it, pictures showing them doing it, anything?

So far you've shown:

1. A sketch of JFK's head with a hole in the back and a picture of the fatal bullet strike from the rear blowing his brains out the right front. FAIL
2. A photo of a car with a bullet hole in the windshield and a photo of the presidential limousine at Parkland with a wagon wheel crack. FAIL
3. A photo of a computer screen with a blurry pic on it where the details of the wagon wheel crack have almost been photoshopped out. FAIL
4. A photo of the presidential limousine prior to the windshield being chipped where you've identified JFK's shirt as a windshield defect. FAIL

I would be happy to examine any evidence that you would like to present that won't damage your WAG even worse.

 

[carlitos]

I almost nominated that for pith, but I don't know enough about pith. Pith poor reasoning, but there you go.

 

[twinstead]

I almost nominated that for pith, but I don't know enough about pith. Pith poor reasoning, but there you go.

Well, it appears that he doesn't have a pot to pith in...

 

[PhantomWolf]

Hey 7forever. You aren't Jack White are you? I mean he can't tell the difference between the front and back of the LM, and you clearly can't tell the difference between the front and back of a car, so....