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Are Tattoos Proof of a Nazi Genocide?

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Jonathan Harrison wrote:
This brings us into that "valuable blue collar labor" that the Nazis couldn't have got from any other group.
But then a few posts later Budly says that all the Jews sent to Auschwitz were working for IG Farben.
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Quit obfuscating. I gave an example. the Jews were not killed. They worked at places like IG Farben. However if the Nazis had wanted to kill Jews, they could have, and then just got any other population to work at places like IG Farben at Monowitz.

O.k. Harrison, now pretend that you just don't understand what I'm saying.

People's thinking is so befuddled on this issue. Could the Germans have conscripted other nationalities into forced labor? Yes. Why did they use Jews? Valuable 1 percent of population that did blue collar labor like no other? No. To separate them out of the population, teach them skills, with the plan to send them out of Europe with skills to form a new country. And what did happen? Israel.

Jews alive after the war with an Auschwitz tattoo supports this thesis more than it supports extermination.
 
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Budly said:
People's thinking is so befuddled on this issue. Could the Germans have conscripted other nationalities into forced labor? Yes. Why did they use Jews?
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Ever heard of "arbeitseinsatz"?


Budly said:
No. To separate them out of the population, teach them skills, with the plan to send them out of Europe with skills to form a new country. And what did happen? Israel.
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Sometimes I wonder if denier theories can get even more ridiculous. And yes, they never disappoint me...
 
Budly said:
Jonathan Harrison wrote:


Quit obfuscating. I gave an example. the Jews were not killed. They worked at places like IG Farben. However if the Nazis had wanted to kill Jews, they could have, and then just got any other population to work at places like IG Farben at Monowitz.

O.k. Harrison, now pretend that you just don't understand what I'm saying.

People's thinking is so befuddled on this issue. Could the Germans have conscripted other nationalities into forced labor? Yes. Why did they use Jews? Valuable 1 percent of population that did blue collar labor like no other? No. To separate them out of the population, teach them skills, with the plan to send them out of Europe with skills to form a new country. And what did happen? Israel.

Jews alive after the war with an Auschwitz tattoo supports this thesis more than it supports extermination.
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IG Farben's plant was a training center for Jews to be sent to Israel to process rubber?

:jaw-dropp

You do realize that Nazi forced labour policy is copiously documented and that there was an IG Farben trial at Nuremberg? No mention of training the Jews for Israel.
 
*whew*

It's good to think that my great-grandfathers family was 'retrained' and not 'murdered'.

For quite a while, we thought something terrible might have happened to them. Now that I know they're safe, I hope to meet some of them soon.
 
Jews alive after the war with an Auschwitz tattoo supports this thesis more than it supports extermination.
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and here we have a classic strawman, the idiotic denier claim that Nazi policy towards Jews was exclusively about extermination, rather than the widely understood fact that they kept some Jews alive as slave labourers, and killed the rest.

Let's insert some numbers, shall we? Some tens of thousands of Jews alive after the war with an Auschwitz tattoo, out of maybe 200,000 Jews liberated from Nazi camps in 1945, versus about 5 million Jews killed by the Nazis.

Before we get hit with budly's almost inevitable puzzlement about the number of survivors, Holocaust survivor =/= camp survivor. By definition, someone can survive by virtue of being in a mixed marriage or other minor privileged category, in hiding, or by fleeing, or early on by emigration, and therefore be a Holocaust survivor under all recent definitions, but not be a survivor of Nazi camps.

Furthermore: circa 5 million killed by the Nazis, about 300,000 more killed by the Romanians, =/= 6 million. Hope budly's brain doesn't fry trying to cogitate this one over.


As to the notion of Monowitz as a bizarre Zionist retraining camp, I can only echo IB and Jon Harrison by wondering wtf "revisionists" think they achieve when they utter such blithering idiocies, except to make themselves look extremely thick. Seriously.
 
How many Jews did the Ustaše kill? Was it relatively few? I know most of their victims were Serbs.
 
Slayhamlet said:
How many Jews did the Ustaše kill? Was it relatively few? I know most of their victims were Serbs.
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indeed, relatively few; the total for the whole of Yugoslavia is about 65,000 and the Germans were responsible for most of that, with the Hungarians helping out in one region.
 
Budly said:
Jonathan Harrison wrote:


Quit obfuscating. I gave an example. the Jews were not killed. They worked at places like IG Farben. However if the Nazis had wanted to kill Jews, they could have, and then just got any other population to work at places like IG Farben at Monowitz.

O.k. Harrison, now pretend that you just don't understand what I'm saying.

People's thinking is so befuddled on this issue. Could the Germans have conscripted other nationalities into forced labor? Yes. Why did they use Jews? Valuable 1 percent of population that did blue collar labor like no other? No. To separate them out of the population, teach them skills, with the plan to send them out of Europe with skills to form a new country. And what did happen? Israel.

Jews alive after the war with an Auschwitz tattoo supports this thesis more than it supports extermination.
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Because some things are so incredibly stupid and just plain batcrap crazy that one Image is not enough.

I am not sure it qualifies because it might not be directly enough connected to a Conspiracy Theory, but I took a chance and put this one in for a Stundie.
 
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Nick Terry said:
indeed, relatively few; the total for the whole of Yugoslavia is about 65,000 and the Germans were responsible for most of that, with the Hungarians helping out in one region.
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Wikipedia says that after August 1942 most Jews from the NDH were transported directly to Auschwitz for extermination, thus relatively few had the chance to be killed at Jasenovac. Apparently the Nazis weren't pleased with the Ustaše's efforts to liquidate the Jews, they being more interested in killing Serbs, so the Nazis decided to take over that operation.
 
There were only 1,500 Croatian Jews still alive in July 1945, out of an initial population of 30,000. Source: Report of Milan Markovic, July 1945, p.20, cited in the Judgment in the Trial of Adolf Eichmann. But, as Nick Terry says, many of these died from German initiatives.
 
Umm... I've been to a Nazi dentention camp... one that was preserved for historical purposes (sorry, forget the name of it... somewhere in Germany, saw it like 15 years ago). Would the fact that the "showers" where they gassed people WERE STILL THERE and they showed us the basics of how they functioned be evidence that the holocaust actually DID happen? Or was that all just something done later for special effects?

Much of the "lack of documentation" comes from the fact that they destroyed documents related to medical experiments done by the Nazis due to the unethical practices used. To use research obtained by such a means would be to condone it. Other documentation was destroyed as well in this purging.
 
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Manopolus said:
Umm... I've been to a Nazi dentention camp... one that was preserved for historical purposes (sorry, forget the name of it... somewhere in Germany, saw it like 15 years ago). Would the fact that the "showers" where they gassed people WERE STILL THERE and they showed us the basics of how they functioned be evidence that the holocaust actually DID happen? Or was that all just something done later for special effects?
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I want to play denial thinking, so here goes:
special effects = Hollywood = evil joos = Holocaust never happened.

I hope I'm getting the hang of how denialist so called thinking goes.
 
Nick Terry said:
and here we have a classic strawman, the idiotic denier claim that Nazi policy towards Jews was exclusively about extermination, rather than the widely understood fact that they kept some Jews alive as slave labourers, and killed the rest.

Let's insert some numbers, shall we? Some tens of thousands of Jews alive after the war with an Auschwitz tattoo, out of maybe 200,000 Jews liberated from Nazi camps in 1945, versus about 5 million Jews killed by the Nazis.

Before we get hit with budly's almost inevitable puzzlement about the number of survivors, Holocaust survivor =/= camp survivor. By definition, someone can survive by virtue of being in a mixed marriage or other minor privileged category, in hiding, or by fleeing, or early on by emigration, and therefore be a Holocaust survivor under all recent definitions, but not be a survivor of Nazi camps.

Furthermore: circa 5 million killed by the Nazis, about 300,000 more killed by the Romanians, =/= 6 million. Hope budly's brain doesn't fry trying to cogitate this one over.
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Why would the Romanians want to kill Jews? Was the Nazi propaganda machine at work in Romania? Did the Jews do something to the Romanians where they wanted to kill 300,000 of them? What other nationalities wanted to kill Jews besides the Romanians and Germans?

Just asking questions.
 
Nick Terry said:
indeed, relatively few; the total for the whole of Yugoslavia is about 65,000 and the Germans were responsible for most of that, with the Hungarians helping out in one region.
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So what was the common denominator to all the Jew-hatred from all these different nationalities?

Any idea why?
 
MaGZ said:
Why would the Romanians want to kill Jews? Was the Nazi propaganda machine at work in Romania? Did the Jews do something to the Romanians where they wanted to kill 300,000 of them? What other nationalities wanted to kill Jews besides the Romanians and Germans?

Just asking questions.
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Why don't you try reading something other than denier comic-books? There is a complete report on the Holocaust and Romania available at multiple locations to be downloaded.
 
Slayhamlet said:
Wikipedia says that after August 1942 most Jews from the NDH were transported directly to Auschwitz for extermination, thus relatively few had the chance to be killed at Jasenovac. Apparently the Nazis weren't pleased with the Ustaše's efforts to liquidate the Jews, they being more interested in killing Serbs, so the Nazis decided to take over that operation.
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You know the Jews write Wikipedia, don't you?

Please do not use Wikipedia as a source when discussing WWII realated topics.
 
Given that Jews were a small percent of the population in Europe, and given that the Nazis occupied most of Europe at one point. Why not conscript another labor force for the needed work, and then kill the Jews? This is something none of the Believers here can answer.

The answer is this: because there was no extermination program, but Jews were a demographic the Nazis wanted out of the mix of other Europeans.
 
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