Merged bullet hole in the windshield of JFK's limo/ You might be...

You don't believe "the government".

Which government? What branch?

Is it the executive, legislative or judicial?

Local, county, state, federal, local school district?

I, myself, distrust the Kansas City Parks and Recreation Committee. They are a bunch of questionable people if I've ever seen any.
 
I don't believe the government

I believe the early witnesses and obviously his head and body slamming backward from a frontal shot.

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7forever. Frankly, I could care less what you believe. Nobody is asking you believe 'the government' The evidence points to being shot from the back. It's not 'the government' telling you this. If you can't argue the science you can't argue the issue.
 
I repeat myself:

Vorticity said:
It seems absolutely clear to me that his head first moves forward:

http://users.skynet.be/mar/Headshot/Images/Closeup_312-313.gif

Frame 312 (Before bullet strike): Head flush with horizontal and vertical lines.

Frame 313 (After bullet strike): Head below horizontal line and forward of vertical line.

His head moved down and forward at the instant of the bullet strike. I'm baffled how anyone could look at that sequence of images and see anything different.
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7forever: I'm genuinely curious about your perception of those frames.

Does his head initially move forward, or what?
 
twinstead said:
7forever. Frankly, I could care less what you believe. Nobody is asking you believe 'the government' The evidence points to being shot from the back. It's not 'the government' telling you this. If you can't argue the science you can't argue the issue.
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The evidence points to Kennedy being shot twice from the front and Connally from the back once. The first shot missed and Kennedy was shot at 225 and Connally at 234 from the rear, then a four second pause. The fatal shot is fired and then another right after. 5 shots would be proven beyond a reasonable before any jury in this world. Mary Moorman taking her pic right before the fatal shot and hearing another to follow is golden testimony if there ever was any.

Mrs. Jean Hill and I were standing on the grass by the park on Elm Street between the underpass and the corner of Elm & Houston. I had a Polaroid Camera with me and was intending to take pictures of President Kennedy and the motorcade. As the motorcade started toward me I took two pictures. As President Kennedy was opposite me I took a picture of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up in the car and said, "My God he had been shot." When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all. After the pictures I took were developed, the Picture of President Kennedy showed him slumped over. When the pictures were developed, they came out real light. These pictures have been turned over to Officers investigating this incident.
 
7forever said:
It's not even debatable that Connally knew what happened.
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Translation: I'm not going to even read anything that challenges my preconceived notions about the JFK assassination.

Your ignorance does not make you correct. This is a skeptics forum. If you aren't going to bother to look at evidence, you shouldn't bother posting.
 
Vorticity said:
I repeat myself:



7forever: I'm genuinely curious about your perception of those frames.

Does his head initially move forward, or what?
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Are you seriously telling me that you can prove that a shot from the rear could make a skull go forward, stop and then thrash backward violently as if the shot came from the front? You cannot because it's impossible. If you can make that happen, go for it.;)
 
7forever said:
I believe the early witnesses and obviously his head and body slamming backward from a frontal shot.

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I'm still a bit confused at why you continually post a frame from the film that shows what actually happens and then post a drawing that shows something else. It's pretty obvious to anyone with working eyes that the drawing is not correct.
 
I'm pretty sure that this is a "yes" or "no" question, not a "make another assertion that you are right" question. Try again:
7forever: I'm genuinely curious about your perception of those frames.

Does his head initially move forward, or what?
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EventHorizon said:
Translation: I'm not going to even read anything that challenges my preconceived notions about the JFK assassination.

Your ignorance does not make you correct. This is a skeptics forum. If you aren't going to bother to look at evidence, you shouldn't bother posting.
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Practice what you preach. Watch Connally at 225 and explain in some logical way his movement, if it wasn't that he reacted to a bullet which is very logical.
 
7forever said:
Are you seriously telling me that you can prove that a shot from the rear could make a skull go forward, stop and then thrash backward violently as if the shot came from the front? You cannot because it's impossible. If you can make that happen, go for it.;)
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Videos have been posted that show exactly that. That you choose to ignore them makes them no less valid. That you choose to ignore them is nobody's problem but yours and proves to anyone watching that you have no interest in the truth.
 
Blowing up grainy photos to make BIGGER GRAINY PHOTOS totally rocks!

(apologies to twinstead, as ever)

ETA - you have heard this previously, but once more with feeling:

It isn't even debatable...

Obviously...

IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE!1!!!...

Educate yourself...

It has been proven...
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Those are all "arguments from ignorance" or "arguments from incredulity." They are not evidence of anything. Please stop this.
 
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7forever said:
Are you seriously telling me that you can prove that a shot from the rear could make a skull go forward, stop and then thrash backward violently as if the shot came from the front?
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A shot from the front makes the head go forward, then backward? How does that work?
 
carlitos said:
You are "arguing from ignorance" or "arguing from incredulity." .
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To people who like to argue from incredulity, I always say: If it is your personal beliefs that determine what is or is not possible, then how did the Universe manage so long without you?
 
Kennedy's head never goes forward at all. Advance and pause 2.00 and move it back and forth. The back of his head or his shoulders do NOT move forward. His head was down and it had to go up before it went back. It's that simple. What would a jury believe? The nonsense of a rear shot or their own eyes? JFK'S HEAD WENT UP BEFORE IT WENT BACK. That's what a jury would believe and a prosecutor would say about that movement upward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguBcLpWBS0&feature=related
 
Vorticity said:
I repeat myself:



7forever: I'm genuinely curious about your perception of those frames.

Does his head initially move forward, or what?
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Did you ever click this link below? Could you answer the question with a "yes" or "no" please?

Originally Posted by Vorticity
It seems absolutely clear to me that his head first moves forward:

http://users.skynet.be/mar/Headshot/Images/Closeup_312-313.gif

Frame 312 (Before bullet strike): Head flush with horizontal and vertical lines.

Frame 313 (After bullet strike): Head below horizontal line and forward of vertical line.

His head moved down and forward at the instant of the bullet strike. I'm baffled how anyone could look at that sequence of images and see anything different.
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ETA - this is correct link. It's an animated gif of frame 312 and 313
 
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Help, I'm being sucked into this world!

7forever said:
Kennedy's head never goes forward at all. Advance and pause 2.00 and move it back and forth. The back of his head or his shoulders do NOT move forward. His head was down and it had to go up before it went back. It's that simple. What would a jury believe? The nonsense of a rear shot or their own eyes? JFK'S HEAD WENT UP BEFORE IT WENT BACK. That's what a jury would believe and a prosecutor would say about that movement upward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguBcLpWBS0&feature=related
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The time scale of the forward movement is much shorter than the time scale of the subsequent backward movement. In order to perceive it, you have to look at the slowed-down close-up version of the ZF.

Once again:



The head shot is around 0:20. To my eye, JFK's head clearly jerks forward as he is shot.

What do you see there?


Then there is this two-frame analysis of the instant of the head shot:

http://users.skynet.be/mar/Headshot/Images/Closeup_312-313.gif

Frame 312 (Before bullet strike): Head flush with horizontal and vertical lines.

Frame 313 (After bullet strike): Head below horizontal line and forward of vertical line.

His head moved down and forward at the instant of the bullet strike.

What do you see there?
 
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