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Haitian earthquake was used as an excuse for US invasion

First of all let me apologise for disillusioning all you patriots. Unfortunately we all have a responsibility to look beyond the hype and spin the corporate sponsored media wish us to see!

The Haitian situation has to be viewed in the context of US policy and influence in Latin America for the last century. It has retained an almost obsessive interest in ensuring these countries embrace globalisation with the US hegemony which accompanies this. I can count 21 covert US actions since the start of the cold war! :eye-poppi You have to give it to Bush he doesn't bother with this covert nonsense, he commits the atrocities out in the open!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_U.S._regime_change_actions

Now just in case you still have any doubt just read these notorious quotes.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d'état

Now is this the same nation which goes on about freedom and democracy, who are they kidding? most of you by the sound of it!

PS If you are an anti Wikipedia snob, please check the references

The problem with Neo Marxists is they keep bringing up the same crap time and time again.

As for the Chilean Coup, it was a case of two Authoritarian Leaders duking it out. I don't like EITHER side.

And I am proud to be a Anti Wikipedia Snob. And Encyclopedia that Anybody Can Edit is an Encylcopedia that is guaranteed to have so much BS that it's a questionable source.
 
And for the denialists who say there is are no security concerns.

The United Nations says the security situation in Haiti is "stable but potentially volatile" in the wake of last month's earthquake.
The U.N.'s humanitarian office says an armed group attacked a food convoy at the Jeremie airport in the southwest of the country.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gK_OIzf_NWS0oPdiHIPLKdMaF2Ig

Haiti Food Convoy Attacked by Armed Men


 
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You guys just don't understand how the USN works. The first aid to reach Tokyo after the 1923 Kanto Plain quake was on American warships. The swabbies were on 1 1/2 meals a day when they sailed for the P.I. after giving almost all their food to the locals. Then, just 18 years later, the Navy suckered the Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor, so we could nuke Japan just to see if our bombs worked.

Same thing is happening in Haiti right now.
 
I can count 21 covert US actions since the start of the cold war!

Holy Crap!

Do you know that since the start of World War II, Britain has invaded both France and Germany?

It's obvious that the Chunnel is just a cover for Britain to stage another invasion.
 
And I am proud to be a Anti Wikipedia Snob. And Encyclopedia that Anybody Can Edit is an Encylcopedia that is guaranteed to have so much BS that it's a questionable source.

It's known as the "Faith based Encyclopedia" for a reason...

Still, as Michael Shermer noted, what you said isn't necessarily true. Wikipedia is actually pretty accurate precisely because everybody can edit it... since they do so independantly of each other, so the mistakes statistically tend to cancel each others out.

The problem is when -- as with political entries -- there is no independence, but really two camps fighting for a meaningless Wikipedia "win", it devolves into propaganda.
 
If Haiti was already under occupation, what's the point of the USA "occupying" it again? Why a huge coverup to do something you've already done?
 
Holy Crap!

Do you know that since the start of World War II, Britain has invaded both France and Germany?

It's obvious that the Chunnel is just a cover for Britain to stage another invasion.

Not covertly, however I guess British covert actions prior to WW2 was used as a CIA model!
 
I'm curious what this has to do with the topic (an alleged unspoken U.S. invasion and occupation of Haiti for no obvious reasons)...

I see you didn't say "allegedly for no obvious reasons".

At the peak of its imperial power the US regarded the whole world as its backyard, a yard divinely destined to open its markets up to corporate interests for the good of all mankind. ;)

Imagine what would happen if the people of Haiti signed up to the Bolivarian revolution and declared the profits from its resources belonged to the people of Haiti.
 
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At the peak of its imperial power the US regarded the whole world as its backyard, a yard divinely destined to open its markets up to corporate interests for the good of all mankind. ;)

How do you define "imperial"?

Think for a moment what it took for India to gain its independence from Britain. Now compare that to what it took for the Phillipines to gain its independence from the US.
 
Not covertly, however I guess British covert actions prior to WW2 was used as a CIA model!

Are you kidding? Since the start of WW2, Britain has run hundreds of covert operations in continental Europe alone!

However, since you seem to have missed my point, I'll spell it out for you. You picked the start of a war that has long since ended to set your pattern of behavior for the US. The actions that took place during that war were intended to keep Soviet influence in check without pushing a direct confrontation that could end in nuclear holocaust. However, that war is over and has been for a long time.

Oh, and this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Uphold_Democracy
 
Are you kidding? Since the start of WW2, Britain has run hundreds of covert operations in continental Europe alone!

However, since you seem to have missed my point, I'll spell it out for you. You picked the start of a war that has long since ended to set your pattern of behaviour for the US. The actions that took place during that war were intended to keep Soviet influence in check without pushing a direct confrontation that could end in nuclear holocaust. However, that war is over and has been for a long time.

Oh, and this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Uphold_Democracy

Well if you can find evidence of Britain attempting to covertly overthrow democratic states I will believe you, but this is besides the point Britain is no angel either. You are diving and ducking scared: like Climate and Holocaust Deniers by combining straw men and ostrich tactics:covereyes:.

Someone implied America had little influence in the Chilean coup so I provided the evidence it did, but even when you are confronted with explicit incriminating statements by the people at the top, you are saying I am ONLY using that to justify US behaviour in Haiti. NO!

There are 21 instances of known covert US action many involving the overthrown of democratic governments many in Latin America (I couldn't care less if they were right or left wing or in the cold war) this goes against Democracy! Am I using just that? NO!

Then someone says Haiti has been well planned, then I provide evidence from a US general (and many others) who say and show otherwise, then you say no this doesn't prove it is a military build up! Am I using just that? NO

I provide evidence that most of the emphasis in Haiti has been on Military security with aid demoted to a Cinderella status despite nearby military bases and few disturbances, especially during the early stages, and a rather embarrassing Uturn regarding air drops. Is this conclusive? NO

Am I saying all Americans are evil? hardly, I posted quotes from knowledgeable American academics and American sites who don't rely on the pay of corporations so they tell the truth but you don't like them doing this. I'm not even convinced that your present President is evil, but he has clearly lost control of the Pentagon as well as the Climate and Health bills.

But what does all this add up to?

  • We have a known criminal with 21 instances of form, and just like gangsters some of these cases were against other bad gangs, but some were also against those who resisted his influence and just wanted to rule their own lives
  • he is acting irregularly to cover up his behaviour
  • he is operating in one of his main backyard 'districts' with potential enemies lurking possibly with eyes on the same thing
  • he says he is only interested in providing aid but is very slow in doing so and keeps on bringing in military supplies.

Al Capone gave out sweets to children on camera, but do we just give him the benefit of doubt? Are we suspicious, you bet!
 
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What we have here is:


  • One of the biggest natural disasters in recent human history
  • 9 million people in urgent need
  • Entire cities and villages destroyed
  • An entire government and infrastructures destroyed
  • An entire international community sending help at the same time
  • One small airport
  • millions of people starving
  • looters and criminal gangs trying to disrupt the aid
  • US, Canadian and MINUSTAH joint operations to keep civil order and security
  • A few paranoid socialist conspiracy theorists trying to stir up trouble by fear mongering
 
No comments Perseus, Jihad?

I see you prefer to ignore me and post off topic. Suit yourselves.

I'm still amazed at how little of this went on, 20 men, chased away by non US military? If it was me I would have been rioting on the second or third day it has taken 3 weeks to get decent amount of aid out with helicopters buzzing all over the place!

This might bring get them out of the compound more! (the link was my first on my google list honest!) :)

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/86345
 
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