Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Isn't it a bit odd for a freeman fruitloop to be upset about someone not having a birth certificate? Don't they think birth certificates render us all slaves of the US corporation? Wouldn't their ideal President be, precisely, someone without a birth certificate?

(Of course, I do realize that Obama has one, and has made it available.....).
 
Total Freeman woo there. I wonder if all these Freeman notice that by doing this crap they are basically signaling to the court that they have no idea what the law actually says?

By the way, supposedly Orly is now trying to petition using a writ of mandamus. I don't know much about the law, but mandamus writs are a huge part of government so I run across them all the time. I just love and adore that shes trying to use a writ of mandamus to compel administrative action when the action sought would never be classified under that writ.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgv5c76f_1c5rt7dd5

Its like Orly is looking through her law school books and just filing one thing after another, regardless of whether it should be used...
 
Yoink said:
Isn't it a bit odd for a freeman fruitloop to be upset about someone not having a birth certificate? Don't they think birth certificates render us all slaves of the US corporation? Wouldn't their ideal President be, precisely, someone without a birth certificate?

(Of course, I do realize that Obama has one, and has made it available.....).
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Ah, but you see Freemen want everyone ELSE to be slaves to the evil US corporation so that they can continue to leech off society and not pay their bills. If EVERYONE was a Freeman-on-the-land, who would they leech off of?
 
Alferd_Packer said:
I’m not sure just how he figures this “gold” is his. is this some form of freeman woo?
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The Freeman myth about this goes as follows:
1) The government, being diabolically evil and malevolent, enslaves us all at birth for no apparent reason when we get a birth certificate.
1a) Our enslavement is the guarantee on the US debt, because Freeman believe old debunked conspiracy propaganda about the US being bankrupt and don't understand how the debt of sovereign nations actually works.
2) Our BC is then sold on the bond market for X amount of gold.
3) The buying government holds the bond and the interest amount in gold.
4) By recitation of magical Freeman on the Land words and frivolous legal documents, we can unlock our birth certificate bond by become Freeman-On-The-Land and getting all of that money.

Utterly insane, but thats what they believe.
 
LightinDarkness said:
The Freeman myth about this goes as follows:
1) The government, being diabolically evil and malevolent, enslaves us all at birth for no apparent reason when we get a birth certificate.
1a) Our enslavement is the guarantee on the US debt, because Freeman believe old debunked conspiracy propaganda about the US being bankrupt and don't understand how the debt of sovereign nations actually works.
2) Our BC is then sold on the bond market for X amount of gold.
3) The buying government holds the bond and the interest amount in gold.
4) By recitation of magical Freeman on the Land words and frivolous legal documents, we can unlock our birth certificate bond by become Freeman-On-The-Land and getting all of that money.

Utterly insane, but thats what they believe.
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Seriously?

Wow.

More insane than I imagined. I never really looked too closely at this, having pegged them as cranks from the git-go.
 
Can you be sanctioned if your filings cause a judge to wet his pants laughing?
 
Paul said:
Is there some fotl significance to the © he inserts in his name before in esse?
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I think that FOTLers labor under the delusion that they can claim copyright to their own names and thus prohibit the eevil gummint from using the name in official documents.

What strikes me as particularly crazy about that notion is that copyright belongs to the creator of a work, not someone who happens to be carrying the work around with them. Mr. :Strunk obviously did not create himself or his name and so would have no claim to copyright in either.

IANALOAL*, so I could be wrong.;)

*I am not a lawyer or a lunatic
 
BenBurch said:
Seriously?

Wow.

More insane than I imagined. I never really looked too closely at this, having pegged them as cranks from the git-go.
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Your intial judgement is like, but FOTL crankiness is particularly entertaining.
 
BenBurch said:
This all vaguely reminds me of this;

http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/blacktax.asp
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40 acres and a mule. Yes that is one hell of an urban legend, and unfortunately it fools people. My legend is the opposite, the IRS will kick your (rule 10) and eat your children if you think for a moment they will let you keep their money away from them. I have a sister who refuses to file income taxes who is going to learn one day that the IRS doesn't mess around.
 
ktesibios said:
I think that FOTLers labor under the delusion that they can claim copyright to their own names and thus prohibit the eevil gummint from using the name in official documents.

What strikes me as particularly crazy about that notion is that copyright belongs to the creator of a work, not someone who happens to be carrying the work around with them. Mr. :Strunk obviously did not create himself or his name and so would have no claim to copyright in either.

IANALOAL*, so I could be wrong.;)

*I am not a lawyer or a lunatic
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Yeah, wasn't there a chap in the news recently from Florida who billed the government for thousands for using his kids' names without permission, thereby violating their copyright?
 
patchbunny said:
Yeah, wasn't there a chap in the news recently from Florida who billed the government for thousands for using his kids' names without permission, thereby violating their copyright?
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Showing once more that they don't even understand even the most basic elements of the laws they claim to be experts in.

How do I copyright a name, title, slogan or logo?
Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases. In some cases, these things may be protected as trademarks. Contact the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office, 800-786-9199, for further information. However, copyright protection may be available for logo artwork that contains sufficient authorship. In some circumstances, an artistic logo may also be protected as a trademark.
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http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html#title


What is a trademark?

A trademark includes any word, name, symbol, or device, or any combination, used, or intended to be used, in commerce to identify and distinguish the goods of one manufacturer or seller from goods manufactured or sold by others, and to indicate the source of the goods. In short, a trademark is a brand name.
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http://www.uspto.gov/faq/trademarks.jsp#DefineTrademark


So they could trademark their kids' names.....if they were planning to sell them :D
 
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