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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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joobz said:
But, my main point was that apocalyptic was highly common during Jesus' time and that Psalm 22 was an apocalyptic style song of sorrow. It is much more probably that Jesus, as an apocalyptic rabbi, would quote the song of sorrow to his people; Not as prophecy fulfilled, but of affirmation of the apocalyptic faith.

Thank you, waterman, for helping me get my argument across better.
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You are welcome, glad to be of service. Now if I can only find out how to remove the double post then I wouldn't feel like such a noob. <I did try to locate an edit button in the post after logging in a few minutes ago, but it seems to be hiding>

ETA n't above, why doesn't the edit button show up on the earlier today post?
 
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Waterman said:
You are welcome, glad to be of service. Now if I can only find out how to remove the double post then I wouldn't feel like such a noob. <I did try to locate an edit button in the post after logging in a few minutes ago, but it seems to be hiding>

ETA n't above, why doesn't the edit button show up on the earlier today post?
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I believe you have only so much time in which you can edit your post - after the deadline passes your gaffes/faux pas/typos are out there for all to see, forever. ;) I don't know what the limit is, though.
 
Elizabeth I said:
I believe you have only so much time in which you can edit your post - after the deadline passes your gaffes/faux pas/typos are out there for all to see, forever. ;) I don't know what the limit is, though.
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Yes, just like their so-called god, you have only so much time, then it is hell forever....................

Paul

:) :) :)

and that is the best they can come up with to follow blindly.......
 
DOC said:
When the proof is not there it is logical to look at all the evidence and choose the one most likely to be true. That is what I did, and that is what is done at civil trials. I would only be claiming supernatural knowledge if I did what Joobz did and claim that we "know" what the original word in the text said.

And you too are claiming supernatural knowledge by implying you know what word was actually written in the "original text".
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Does your whole hope of salvation hang on the translation of one word?
 
Waterman said:
You are welcome, glad to be of service. Now if I can only find out how to remove the double post then I wouldn't feel like such a noob. <I did try to locate an edit button in the post after logging in a few minutes ago, but it seems to be hiding>

ETA n't above, why doesn't the edit button show up on the earlier today post?
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I wouldn't sweat it. When you've made over 1500 posts that all say "I have no evidence!" then you might need to worry.
 
Does your whole hope of salvation hang on the translation of one word?
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I believe it rests on more than one word. It rests on this: In vain is our faith if Jesus Christ did not rise on the third day [Paul]
So, unless this mother became a zombie somehow, Doc and his cronies are doomed to oblivion like the rest of us. :p
 
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Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies.

- Thomas Jefferson​


Quote wars are fun. Can we review the illegal status of 'argument by quotation' just for this thread?
 
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The sad part is that up to 80% of people in this world have some kind of religion, without so much as a gram of evidence but instead a ton of evidence for the contrary.
 
tsig said:
Does your whole hope of salvation hang on the translation of one word?
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Of course not. Psalm 22 which some have called the Crucifixion Psalm because many believe it is prophetic of Christ's crucifixion is just one more piece of evidential weight to put on the scale of evidence. Isaiah chapter 53 is an example of another. And my other 1600 posts has more evidence for people to consider.
 
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amb said:
The sad part is that up to 80% of people in this world have some kind of religion, without so much as a gram of evidence but instead a ton of evidence for the contrary.
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This is a false statement because Christianity has plenty of historical evidence a I've shown throughout this thread.
 
DOC said:
Of course not. Psalm 22 which some have called the Crucifixion Psalm because many believe it is prophetic of Christ's crucifixion is just one more piece or evidential weight to put on the scale of evidence.
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Absolute rubbish DOC. You know full-well that this dross has been dealt with and dismissed. Are you just going to skip all that and pronounce the case closed.

I strongly doubt that's going to happen.



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Isaiah chapter 53 is an example of another.
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It's not ANOTHER example, you haven't given us the first one yet.


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And my other 1500 posts has more evidence for people to consider.
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Ooh my wordy lordy yes.


And the forest will echo with laughter

- Robert Plant​
 
DOC said:
This is a false statement because Christianity has plenty of historical evidence a I've shown throughout this thread.
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You've shown how to use every logical fallacy in the book, plus a few new ones, to absolutely zero effect, throughout several threads.


It's getting embarrassing.
 
DOC said:
This is a false statement because Christianity has plenty of historical evidence a I've shown throughout this thread.
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Now there is a very good example of one's blind faith, please observe this our readers that are on the fence trying to see if religion is the way to live one's life.

Paul

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DOC said:
Of course not. Psalm 22 which some have called the Crucifixion Psalm because many believe it is prophetic of Christ's crucifixion is just one more piece of evidential weight to put on the scale of evidence. Isaiah chapter 53 is an example of another. And my other 1600 posts has more evidence for people to consider.
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This is perfect DOC. You see, You are right. Many people DO believe that it is a prophetic writing. However, I was able to show quite clearly that it is simply not a prophecy, but a song of sorrow. And this included an explanation on why the translation which claims "pierce" is simply wrong.


So, by mentioning that many people believe that it is prophecy, you demonstrate that people often believe things that are simply not true.


This provides conclusive proof that what people believe ISN'T evidence for what is true.

Which means that you have yet to present any ACTUAL evidence that the bible writers told the truth.
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DOC said:
This is a false statement because Christianity has plenty of historical evidence a I've shown throughout this thread.
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Such as the historical fact that early christians didn't oppose Slavery.
That later Christians used the bible to justify slavery?
That there is no biblical evidence that Jesus opposed slavery, and indeed condoned the practice of beating subordinates.
 
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Now there is a very good example of one's blind faith...
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Yes, you do need faith, but you don't need "blind" faith, because God does give us sufficient evidence to believe in Christianity. I couldn't have made 1600 posts without it.
 
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