Haitian earthquake was used as an excuse for US invasion

[Rogue1stclass]

Who is the "us"?

Us would be the USA, the nation I live in.

Haitians didn't vote for US-style luxurious living standards. They voted for Jean-Bertrand Aristide and a minimum wage.

Seems like we have a minimum wage in the US, which would be why half a million Haitians have risked their lives on dinky rafts to get here, when Cuba is a strong swim away.

[BTW: By what measure is the US "the richest country in the world"? Where would California fit into such an equation?]

The measure would be wealth. And California isn't a country, so it doesn't fit at into "richest countries in the world". However, if you wanted to break it down like that, several US states would, in fact, be among the strongest economies in the world even without the rest of the nation to support them. California, Texas, New York, and my state, Florida, would be pretty strong competitors on the world stage even without the rest of the nation to support them.

Again, none of this says anything about why we would want Haiti. Oil? Really? Why don't we just buy it from the gigantic Domincan Republic oil consortiums? Or has everyone forgotten that Haiti ain't alone on that little island?

 

[jhunter1163]

I've always wondered how it is that the Dominicans have managed to build themselves a nice little republic there, while on the other half of the same island, the Haitians have had 200 years of chronic poverty.

 

[JihadJane]

I've always wondered how it is that the Dominicans have managed to build themselves a nice little republic there, while on the other half of the same island, the Haitians have had 200 years of chronic poverty.

Read some history.

 

[jhunter1163]

And California isn't a country, so it doesn't fit at into "richest countries in the world". However, if you wanted to break it down like that, several US states would, in fact, be among the strongest economies in the world even without the rest of the nation to support them.

If California was an independent nation, it would be in the G-8.

 

[jhunter1163]

So, Jane, how much aid have your Marxist friends in North Korea contributed to Haiti's relief?

 

[JihadJane]

'California: America’s First Failed State'

 

[JihadJane]

So, Jane, how much aid have your Marxist friends in North Korea contributed to Haiti's relief?

Approximately the same as your electrician friends in Sacramento.

 

[jhunter1163]

Nice dodge, Jane. The fact is that I personally have donated more to Haitian relief than North Korea. I'll wager you have, too.

Also: California's GDP in 2009 was $1.9 trillion. If that's a failed state, how would you define a success? Sure there are social problems there. But let me break a piece of news to you, Jane: there are social problems everywhere.

America has its problems, and I'm not jingoist enough to sit here and preach to you that we are the beau ideal of what every nation should be. But millions of people every year risk everything, including their lives, to get here. Why do you suppose that is?

 

[JihadJane]

Nice dodge, Jane. The fact is that I personally have donated more to Haitian relief than North Korea. I'll wager you have, too.

Also: California's GDP in 2009 was $1.9 trillion. If that's a failed state, how would you define a success? Sure there are social problems there. But let me break a piece of news to you, Jane: there are social problems everywhere.

America has its problems, and I'm not jingoist enough to sit here and preach to you that we are the beau ideal of what every nation should be. But millions of people every year risk everything, including their lives, to get here. Why do you suppose that is?

Because the US has been the world's biggest mouth, the centre of a hungry, transnational, parasitic, global empire, sucking in the world's resources, consuming, for example, nearly a quarter of the planet's oil.

The US itself is now being consumed by the same parasite.

 

[Pardalis]

Nah, it's clearly not about Haïti, it's about certain people's hate of America.

I see the Loony Left is still hard at work spinning this tragedy to their advantage, using the pain and suffering of the Haïtians for their own political goals.

Busy little bees.

Disgusting.

Seems I was right.

 

[Michael Redman]

Perhaps not where your government wants you to look, but try looking beyond the corporate controlled media
If you want a US site try this one: democracynow.org/

So I'm unknowingly being spoon fed a controlled stream of information from my government. One CT at a time, please.

Look, you started this thread to discuss a conspiracy theory. You have received quite a few responses patiently explaining that this conspiracy theory:

a) is completely unsupported by evidence; and
b) makes absolutely no sense.

All you've done since is make excuses, provide opinions contrary to your assertion, attack strawmen, and now you're resorting to insults. You aren't going to win any converts that way.

 

[Tricky]

Please keep this topic relevant to the Haiti earthquake. If you want to start a general discussion of the US and their policies or California or something else, please do so. Don't derail this topic.

Thanks

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

After discussion with Tricky, and other members of the Mod Team, the above Mod-Box is rescinded. Discussion of US policy as it relates to post earthquake Haiti is on topic."

Posted By: Locknar

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

So I'm unknowingly being spoon fed a controlled stream of information from my government.

Seems that perseus doesn't quite realize that we have access to the Internet, too.

 

[tsig]

In what way is US exploitation of Haiti "so-called"?

What's there to exploit?

 

[perseus]

Quote: Haitians didn't vote for US-style luxurious living standards. They voted for Jean-Bertrand Aristide and a minimum wage.

no doubt you support trade liberalisation, and globalisation as well? There is little evidence this policy has helped in Africa, encouraging further exploitation of the poor by the multinationals. The most successful countries in this continent have focused on removing corruption and setting up small scale indigenous markets, independent of foreign staff. (Perhaps the latter means the same as the former but more subtly managed?)

With regard to Aristide, there is some evidence he tried more than most rulers in his short term as president, although there are many claims of corruption against him. Perhaps his minimum wage policy was a red rag to the multinationals and the example it might give other exploited peoples! I still think the US is nervous about a potential return or revolution, hence the conspiracy about the excessive military presence after the earthquake.

Under Aristide's leadership, his party implemented many major reforms. These included greatly increasing access to health care and education for the general population; increasing adult literacy and protections for those accused of crimes; improving training for judges, prohibiting human trafficking, disbanding the Haitian military (which had primarily been used against the Haitian people), establishing improved human rights and political freedoms; doubling the minimum wage; instituting land reform and assistance to small farmers;, providing boat construction training to fishermen; establishing a food distribution network to provide low cost food to the poor at below market prices, building low-cost housing, and attempting to reduce the level of government corruption.[26]

http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Bertrand_Aristide

 

[perseus]

Seems that perseus doesn't quite realize that we have access to the Internet, too.

It's a double edged sword!

 

[JihadJane]

Quote: Haitians didn't vote for US-style luxurious living standards. They voted for Jean-Bertrand Aristide and a minimum wage.

no doubt you support trade liberalisation, and globalisation as well?

No, I don't.

(I'm assuming your post was addressed to my comment)

What's there to exploit?

People, their resources and their land.


'Haiti heads for debt crisis as emergency loans pile up after earthquake
• IMF's new $102m loan is criticised by charities
• UN trade and development body calls for debt write-off'

 

[aggle-rithm]

People, their resources and their land.


'Haiti heads for debt crisis as emergency loans pile up after earthquake
• IMF's new $102m loan is criticised by charities
• UN trade and development body calls for debt write-off'

If the US is so intent on imperialism, then can you explain why it gave independence to both Cuba and the Phillipines? Were there no people, resources, and land to exploit there?

 

[Skeptic]

Perseus is claiming that the USA aid to Haiti is some sort of imperialistic takeover and should be slowed or stopped. But if the USA did just that, he'd be claiming the racist evil USA just doesn't care enough to save poor Black people.

 

[Skeptic]

If half the American mission to Haiti walked on water to reach the island, while the commander of the other half parted the Atlantic enabling them to walk on the sea floor to their destination, JJ and perseus would claim that just proves stupid, fat, lazy Americans can't be bothered to learn to swim.