Anti-semitism and 911 truth - "like two pees in a pod"

[Scott Sommers]

Can you clarify what you mean with this sentence?

'' there are some who make the same claim about Holocaust Denial.''

I'm surprised you have to ask. This is what all the historical revisionsists claim. They all claim they're just looking at the facts. And so are you.

This is a waste of my life. You and your CIT friends can pretend whatever you want.

 

[Rogue1stclass]

Snopes lists the emails circulating about the 4000 Jews to have been doing so in 2001, though it doesn't give a month. I recall that page being one of the first 9/11 pages they had, going up pretty quickly after the attacks. It was also one of the few 9/11 CTs I'd even heard of before I joined here.

So, while it may not have been the earliest 9/11 CT, it certainly was pretty early and definately shows that the anti-Jew bias of the Truth Movement is by no means a new thing.

 

[bill smith]

I'm surprised you have to ask. This is what all the historical revisionsists claim. They all claim they're just looking at the facts. And so are you.

This is a waste of my life. You and your CIT friends can pretend whatever you want.

The establishment writes history and revisionists tend to correct it. Revisionism after all is absolutely essential if you want the Truth.
For the rest I can only suggest that you go and waste your life elsewhere and good luck to you.

PS. I've told you before I believe that I think the Pentagon was/is just a honeypot to create and entangle conspiracy theorists. So I trust nothing that comes out of the Pentagon narrative one way or the other.

 

[bill smith]

Snopes lists the emails circulating about the 4000 Jews to have been doing so in 2001, though it doesn't give a month. I recall that page being one of the first 9/11 pages they had, going up pretty quickly after the attacks. It was also one of the few 9/11 CTs I'd even heard of before I joined here.

So, while it may not have been the earliest 9/11 CT, it certainly was pretty early and definately shows that the anti-Jew bias of the Truth Movement is by no means a new thing.

It's covered in the online movie 'missing links' quite well. I think myself it was just a planted story to enable 9/11 conspiracy theorists to be labelled as anti-semitic when they picked up on it.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

It's covered in the online movie 'missing links' quite well. I think myself it was just a planted story to enable 9/11 conspiracy theorists to be labelled as anti-semitic.

Have you read Mike Riveros website lately, Bil?

 

[bill smith]

Have you read Mike Riveros website lately, Bil?

I've never actually visited his site though I will if you have a link. I do like the following powerful piece of text that he wrote though...

'"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all."

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I've never actually visited his site though I will if you have a link. I do like the following powerful piece of text that he wrote though...

Of course you do.

 

[TruthersLie]

You mean like the news reporters who already determined Bin Laden was involved within minutes of the second plane hitting?

Under your lack of logic if anyone stated Bin Laden was involved, they must have had inside information.

I told my wife about 10 minutes after the second plane impacted the towers that Bin Laden finally did it.

Of course I also said about 10 minutes later that both of the towers were going to collapse and it was just a matter of time.

I must be part of "it." Wow... WOOT!!!!

 

[TruthersLie]

No, it wasn't. Even a concerted diesel fuel fire burning in one location does not explain the total collapse of wtc7.

You are so right.

What is much more plausible is that
1. a team of individuals did 20,000 man hours worth of work to demolish wtc7.
2. This demo prep was completely unnoticed by anyone.
3. If you believe danny J, they ran into a burning building to do the work
4. a new type of explosive capable of cutting steel beams was used in wtc7 (or the towers) that does not conform to the known properties of ANY explosive ANYWHERE
5. All of this was done quietly and without being found.

Yup... it makes so much more sense. Thanks

 

[Jono]

I think right and left-extremists appear almost pathologically paranoid every now and then.

 

[Scott Sommers]

I just found an old 911 Truth blog with a huge number of links to sites all over the place. the last entry on this blog was sometime in 2007. The work done on it and the web of sites its linked to would have been huge. There are thousands of words of writing, not to mention embedded pictures that would have taken a long time to find.

In fact, most of the links to blogs appear to be dead. There are links to websites that are still up, but even some of that is down. Blogs that are still posted have not had entries for years.

It must be really discouraging to see all this. Surely Truthers here and everywhere must see this. Their world is not growing and there are not people from outside their cultish structure interested in finding out about their 'research'. No one is interested in learning about the story of superagent Lloyd England or how thermite was planted in WTC. It must be a drag to know you learned how to program in Maya and draw cool pictures of airplanes and not a soul cares.

It must be lonely being a Truther.

 

[bill smith]

I just found an old 911 Truth blog with a huge number of links to sites all over the place. the last entry on this blog was sometime in 2007. The work done on it and the web of sites its linked to would have been huge. There are thousands of words of writing, not to mention embedded pictures that would have taken a long time to find.

In fact, most of the links to blogs appear to be dead. There are links to websites that are still up, but even some of that is down. Blogs that are still posted have not had entries for years.

It must be really discouraging to see all this. Surely Truthers here and everywhere must see this. Their world is not growing and there are not people from outside their cultish structure interested in finding out about their 'research'. No one is interested in learning about the story of superagent Lloyd England or how thermite was planted in WTC. It must be a drag to know you learned how to program in Maya and draw cool pictures of airplanes and not a soul cares.

It must be lonely being a Truther.

Personally I am not at all discouraged Scott. Three or four years ago it was already estimated that there were 650,000 9/11 Truth websites. There will of course be some natural wastage. And there are plenty more sites going up all the time. I note that you don't provide a link to the website by the way.

 

[Rogue1stclass]

It's covered in the online movie 'missing links' quite well. I think myself it was just a planted story to enable 9/11 conspiracy theorists to be labelled as anti-semitic when they picked up on it.

No, it wasn't planted. It didn't need to be. There was already a CTer community around before 9/11, encompassing the extremes of both ends of the political spectrum, in which a Jewish conspiracy was well established. The Truth Movement, like it or not, came out of this community. A lot of then high school and college kids ran with it because it fed into their hatred for Bush, but they got their start through the same old CT crowd that has been pushing Black Helicopters and the NWO for years. The very fact that Alex Jones, who came out of dying militia movement, became a leader in to the Truthers pretty much proves that point.

 

[bill smith]

No, it wasn't planted. It didn't need to be. There was already a CTer community around before 9/11, encompassing the extremes of both ends of the political spectrum, in which a Jewish conspiracy was well established. The Truth Movement, like it or not, came out of this community. A lot of then high school and college kids ran with it because it fed into their hatred for Bush, but they got their start through the same old CT crowd that has been pushing Black Helicopters and the NWO for years. The very fact that Alex Jones, who came out of dying militia movement, became a leader in to the Truthers pretty much proves that point.

No, you have it the wrong way round. Most Truthers learned of an Israeli connection to 9/11 after they began to research. And there is a strong case to be made for such a connection..

I believe that the 4,000 Jews story was planted firstly so that Truth Movement people would pick up on it and help get the conspiracy theories started and secondly so that they could be immediately branded as anti-semites. This last allowed for the blurring of the line between what was Israeli (the Nationality) and what was Jewish (the Religion). A cover in other words. The fact that the story came so rapidly after 9/11 is just another finger pointing to this.

Apart from all that anti-semitism seems to be deeply engrained in western societies. I'm ot exactly sure why it is so virulent and persistent. But given that undeniable fact we an assume,that,however secretly, as many debunkers have this prejudice as Truthers possibly do,

 

[Jono]

I believe that the 4,000 Jews story was planted so that Truth Movement people would pick up on it and could be immediately branded as anti-semites. This allowed the blurring of the line between what was Israeli (the Nationality) and what was Jewish (the Religion). A cover in other words. The fact that the story came so rapidly after 9/11 is just another finger pointing to this.

Nah, I doubt it. In any case, if the truthers are so ready-set-go to swallow anything that might seem to "put wind under their wings", they should learn to tighten their mouths and watch out for the sun as they flax away, i.e wise up on their 'research'.

 

[bardamu]

Even so-called "holocaust survivors" are anti-semitic.

http://www.effedieffe.com/content/view/9409/183/

One of the last remaining Auschwitz survivors has launched a blistering attack on Israel over its occupation of Palestine as he began a lecture tour of Scotland.

Dr Hajo Meyer, 86, who survived 10 months in the Nazi death camp, spoke out as his 10-day tour of the UK and Ireland – taking in three Scottish venues – got under way. His comments sparked a furious reaction from hardline Jewish lobby groups, with Dr Meyer branded an “anti-Semite” and accused of abusing his position as a Holocaust survivor.

 

[TruthersLie]

Even so-called "holocaust survivors" are anti-semitic.

Your lack of proper english skills needs to be addressed. It should be

Even this holocaust surviver is considered an "anti-Semite."

Mind you, your english skills shows us exactly what you are. A holocaust denying, anti-semite. But we already knew that.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Thunder]

Even so-called "holocaust survivors"

great. another 9-11 Truther who just happens to also be a Holocaust denier.

 

[bardamu]

Your lack of proper english skills needs to be addressed. It should be

Even this holocaust surviver is considered an "anti-Semite."

Mind you, your english skills shows us exactly what you are. A holocaust denying, anti-semite. But we already knew that.

Thanks for playing.

The article says: "In 1944, after a year in the underground, he was caught by the Gestapo and survived 10 months at Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland".

If Auschwitz was a death camp, why was he kept alive there for 10 months?

 

[bardamu]

great. another 9-11 Truther who just happens to also be a Holocaust denier.

Scepticism is not something that can be switched on and off.