The Freeman Movement and England

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LightinDarkness said:
Next thing we know well see FMOTL websites promoting a "Notice of Attempted Piracy in Violation of Admiralty Law" every time they get thrown in jail.

What the government is doing isn't legal - its piracy!
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Eh wait till they start trying to issue their own letters of marque to try and claim they can own the court.
 
I have started posting on the DI forum to try to engage in a limited fashion with the FMOTL woos. Its already getting tiresome - the FMOTL keep using words "common law" while demonstrating they have NO IDEA what it means, so I'll probably stop soon and just give up.
 
While reading this on Prison Planet...
All Laws Exist in A Fiction... (snip)

Simply put, we live on a planet we call earth and not in Countries. In fact Countries are not land under the real system of law, they are imaginary Seas, upon which Admiralty Law applies and the NAMES you use are imaginary ships floating on the Sea, where Piracy reigns as the system of Commerce, between your and all the other imaginary ships.

But because you are not imaginary, they have to give you a play piece in the game. This is called a PERSON and its attributes are a NAME and BIRTH DATE. The Game is rigged from the start. The pirates simply set up laws and wait for you to break one so that they can plunder your wealth and freedom.

A name is an imaginary thing you are given, typically when you were born. However, a name is simply hearsay; you do not know what your true name is, no one does. The other attribute of a person, a Birth Date, is hearsay because no one can say when exactly the Universe was created and making use of an event such as Jesus' Death, hence A.D., is only hearsay. Further Jesus was Crucified and died in the spring during Passover so the Calendar should actually start its new year in the spring.
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I found this...

http://www.freedomfiles.org/extortion.pdf

A book of freeman...ish...ness...

(Sorry if it's been posted before)
 
Common Law is what they mean when they try to make a point. They just reel it out and say "that's part of Common Law". And since they are utterly ignorant (I have even seen a couple of people on one forum quote Biblical passages as Common Law, because these passages supported their argument) of what it really is - precedent which can be (and sometimes is) reversed in subsequent case law. They then argue againt Statute Law, and do not even understand that 90%+ of Statute Law is simply codified Common Law precedents.

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fromdownunder said:
Common Law is what they mean when they try to make a point. They just reel it out and say "that's part of Common Law". And since they are utterly ignorant (I have even seen a couple of people on one forum quote Biblical passages as Common Law, because these passages supported their argument) of what it really is - precedent which can be (and sometimes is) reversed in subsequent case law. They then argue againt Statute Law, and do not even understand that 90%+ of Statute Law is simply codified Common Law precedents.
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It's even worse than that - they specifically cite documents like the Bill of Rights (see this thread), which are statutes. I've seen them talking about habeas corpus, which is mostly statutory because it had to be legislated for after judges' decisions (i.e. common law) made it more or less worthless.

Basically, as far as they're concerned, "common law" is whatever they agree with, whatever its source.
 
Redtail said:
While reading this on Prison Planet...


I found this...

http://www.freedomfiles.org/extortion.pdf

A book of freeman...ish...ness...

(Sorry if it's been posted before)
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Let's start at the beginning:

"Introduction
In The Beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth...
And evil people created Persons. The word Person comes from the Latin word Persona,
which means mask. A Person is a fiction entity in an imaginary world. It does not and can
not exist in the real world, where you and I live. A PERSON has 2 attributes, both of which
are hearsay, which are a Name and a Birth Date. Law books have skewed the definition to
include corporations as being a Person, is the crux of the Fraud and the truth of the illusion.
A Corporation can not be a living man or living woman of God. A human being is not a living
man or woman of God, human means Color of man and thus is not the species of man of
God."

After we all understand that we can:


"Chapter 7 ..................................................Return to Shangrala
- Meditation with God
- Dispersing the Illusion with Truth
- Recognizing Our Spiritual World
- The Church within the Heavens
- Holographic Universe
- Playtime with Reality Fields
- The Gift"



Take off the mask and eschew illusions and return to shangrala??
 
Redtail said:
While reading this on Prison Planet...


I found this...

http://www.freedomfiles.org/extortion.pdf

A book of freeman...ish...ness...

(Sorry if it's been posted before)
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However, a name is simply hearsay; you do not know what your true name is, no one does.
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That right there emphasizes how this FOTL business is no different from pure magical thinking. I've mentioned before the magical notion that knowing some thing's "True Name" is supposed to give power over it; this is the flip side. If they can't know your True Name, they can't have power over you.
 
Has anyone found an account written by someone who's had a legal dealing with a FMOTL? Like a police officer or judge? I'd love to hear things from their POV about dealing with these folks. Their videos don't seem to give the complete picture.
 
The other attribute of a person, a Birth Date, is hearsay because no one can say when exactly the Universe was created and making use of an event such as Jesus' Death, hence A.D., is only hearsay. Further Jesus was Crucified and died in the spring during Passover so the Calendar should actually start its new year in the spring.
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I used to think that A.D meant After Death .. When I was 12!

I know this is a minor point, but it brilliantly shows the flawed mental processes behind FOTL. They take a completely mistaken understanding of an abreviation (After Death instead of Anno Domini) and proceed from that mistake to show that our calendar is wrong so birthdates are a fiction.
 
LightinDarkness said:
I have started posting on the DI forum to try to engage in a limited fashion with the FMOTL woos. Its already getting tiresome - the FMOTL keep using words "common law" while demonstrating they have NO IDEA what it means, so I'll probably stop soon and just give up.
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cwalner: Um, LightinDarkness, why are you beating your head against that brick wall?

LightinDarkness: Because it feels so good when I stop.
 
All Laws Exist in A Fiction... (snip)

Simply put, we live on a planet we call earth and not in Countries. In fact Countries are not land under the real system of law, they are imaginary Seas, upon which Admiralty Law applies and the NAMES you use are imaginary ships floating on the Sea, where Piracy reigns as the system of Commerce, between your and all the other imaginary ships.

But because you are not imaginary, they have to give you a play piece in the game. This is called a PERSON and its attributes are a NAME and BIRTH DATE. The Game is rigged from the start. The pirates simply set up laws and wait for you to break one so that they can plunder your wealth and freedom.

A name is an imaginary thing you are given, typically when you were born. However, a name is simply hearsay; you do not know what your true name is, no one does. The other attribute of a person, a Birth Date, is hearsay because no one can say when exactly the Universe was created and making use of an event such as Jesus' Death, hence A.D., is only hearsay. Further Jesus was Crucified and died in the spring during Passover so the Calendar should actually start its new year in the spring.
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My God, this is not even "not even wrong".
 
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