Akhenaten
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So, who's gonna be first second to completely forget which thread they're posting in?
Ancient Pyramids and other structures, astronomical alignment & similarity.
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Sorry. Back on topic(sort of): Why don't you think that aliens built the pyramids? When will you accept your responsibility to prove that they didn't?
I thought bible giants built the pyramids using dinosaurs as beasts of burden. Wasn't someone claiming this a year or so ago in another thread?
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Well, I heard that the alignment of the pyramids and other, you know, old stuff is evidence that the New Testament writers told the truth and also proves something about Yowies.
Akhenaten
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Good point.
I'll start with this.
I posted something about this subject here a while ago, but I can't find the post. This is the picture I used though:
The pictures are meant to illustrate, more-or-less, the major stages in development of the true Pyramid from its precursor, the mastaba.
The Pyramid on the left is that of King Djoser at Saqqara, the earliest one built. It's similar to the Aztec(?) ones and really, it's a pretty obvious way to make a big pile of rocks look a bit more 'monumental'
The second Pyramid is one of Pharaoh Snephru's attempts (he had three, including a red one) at Dahshur. It shows the way they discovered that 55° is way too steep, and 43° is much more stable.
The last picture is one of the Pyramids at Giza, Pharaoh Khafre's I think, a 'modern' one and pinnacle of the art. It's built at 53° 10' and appears to be holding up quite well.
ETA: I'll ask the audience for a better guess on that last Pyramid. I don't think it's Pharaoh Khafre's, but it's definitely up around Giza somewhere.
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Makes perfect sense, since as we all know, men and dinosaurs walked the earth together 5,000 years ago. It's right there in the bible.
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Which brings up the obvious question. Yowee/BF who would win?
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Yup. In the case of Pharaoh Snephru's Bent Pyramid the steep angle put too much load on the edges of the base, and one corner started to sag and bulge.
Lowering the angle was a measure designed to reduce the total finished weight more than anything.
The steep angle at Giza was possible because of a much stronger base and more precision in the shaping of the building blocks.
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"Archaeologists now believe that the Bent Pyramid represents a transitional form between step-sided and smooth-sided pyramids (see Step pyramid). It has been suggested that due to the steepness of the original angle of inclination the structure may have begun to show signs of instability during construction, forcing the builders to adopt a shallower angle to avert the structure's collapse.[2] This theory appears to be borne out by the fact that the adjacent Red Pyramid, built immediately afterwards by the same Pharaoh, was constructed at an angle of 43 degrees from its base. Another theory suggests that at the initial angle the construction would take too long because Sneferu's death was nearing, so the builders changed the angle to complete the construction in time."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bent_Pyramid
So either the structure was collapsing or the Pharoh was.
Humm...this is one of these thing I thought I knew (structural collapse) but it seems more research(googling) is required.
Your post has caused me to learn new things and rethink previous positions. I hope you will not let this happen again!!
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Okay, a serious question, since you seem to know a lot about this. My understanding is that the Great Pyramid is built at 51 degrees 51 minutes , at least that is the angle I use (I build a lot of wooden pyramids). Are the Giza pyramids all built at different angles? That kind of throws a wrench into the pyramid power mythology.Good point.
I'll start with this.
I posted something about this subject here a while ago, but I can't find the post. This is the picture I used though:
The pictures are meant to illustrate, more-or-less, the major stages in development of the true Pyramid from its precursor, the mastaba.
The Pyramid on the left is that of King Djoser at Saqqara, the earliest one built. It's similar to the Aztec(?) ones and really, it's a pretty obvious way to make a big pile of rocks look a bit more 'monumental'
The second Pyramid is one of Pharaoh Snefru's attempts (he had three, including a red one) at Dahshur. It shows the way they discovered that 55° is way too steep, and 43° is much more stable.
The last picture is one of the Pyramids at Giza, Pharaoh Khafre's I think, a 'modern' one and pinnacle of the art. It's built at 53° 10' and appears to be holding up quite well.
ETA: I'll ask the audience for a better guess on that last Pyramid. I don't think it's Pharaoh Khafre's, but it's definitely up around Giza somewhere.
I want to stress that i always tell my customers that I don't believe in pyramid power, but I build them at the correct angle anyway.
Akhenaten
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The what now? It sure as Horus ain't in the Book of the Dead so it's probably wrong.
Anyway, everyone knows that dinosaurs come from Loch Ness and Australia.
All my Hebrews escaped. They all went batpoo crazy and jumped in the Red Sea and we never saw them again, the gits.
The Jewish one.
Akhenaten
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So either the structure was collapsing or the Pharoh was.
Humm...this is one of these thing I thought I knew (structural collapse) but it seems more research(googling) is required.
Your post has caused me to learn new things and rethink previous positions. I hope you will not let this happen again!!
Just the Pyramid. Pharaoh Snephru was a mighty builder, and his reign is remembered with admiration.
Make sure thy Googling includes Imhotep, the great engineer. He figured a lot of this stuff out.
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Dead Pharaohs should know about dead books so I'm with you there.
Prophets are bad for profits.
I've never seen a photo that showed BF as circumcised and I think the Yowie would circumcise you so I guess we'll never know.
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It was dug out of an ancient seabed so the core is millions of years old.
Akhenaten
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You're good, I reckon.
Your angle is right for the Great Pyramid of Pharaoh Khufu. My 53° 10' was for Pharaoh Khafre's.
Pharaoh Menkhare's was different again at about 52°.
A lot of the design work was a long period of trial-and-error to come up with the ideal angle, and getting those three big babies to within a couple of degrees was probably as good as they could get it, and good enough to have stayed up for a bit.
No hocus-pocus at all. Superlative engineering though. Nobody ever did better with stone than the Two Lands.
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I've never believed that the accuracy was within individual minutes, even though the angles are stated using them. I don't know what error a minute would translate into on something as big as a Giza pyramid, but on the scale I'm working, it means thousandths of an inch. The whole idea that the angle was arrived at from a pratical engineering standpoint makes sense , of course, and it also pokes a hole in the pyramid power mythology, which holds that the specific angle is needed to focus the energy and produce the claimed effects.
I've heard many people make claims for the pyramid boxes I have sold them, food won't rot, herbs or drugs get stronger, ect. My usual retort is to tell them with a laugh that they should put in a $10 bill and it will be a 20 tomorrow.
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Don King.