White vs Black - from an employment perspective.

[ponderingturtle]

I note that there is no note of the average age of the two groups either. If the white group had an average age of 20 and the non white group had an average age of 40 it could explain a lot of things.

 

[luchog]

I note that there is no note of the average age of the two groups either. If the white group had an average age of 20 and the non white group had an average age of 40 it could explain a lot of things.

Then you must have missed the multiple times he clearly stated that the two groups had "similar age, experience, and qualifications".

 

[The Atheist]

Here's another interesting statistic - well, interesting to me, anyway.

I have one factory job in particular which is dirty, noisy, low-paid* and bloody hard work.

Since we took the job on, about 18 months ago, I have tried three white blokes in the job and one of them managed to get as far as two days. The other pair left during the first day.

On the other side, I've had four Samoans in the job, and apart from the one who started on Tuesday (was still there this morning!), only one of them lasted less than three months. One has just quit after eleven months.

*We pay $16 per hour against a legislated minimum hourly rate of $13-51.

 

[Morrigan]

...you can't tell the difference between a Pacific Islander and a Maori by looking at them? Is this a joke? You live in New Zealand, correct? Do you get out much?

I'm not in NZ or Australia so maybe that doesn't count, but I certainly couldn't tell them apart either. Hell, sometimes I think Arabs look like Hispanics and vice-versa. And some Arabs look white. How about this woman vs this woman? They're both ethnic Tatars but if I hadn't known, I'd have guessed the first one to be a white European and the second one to be Iranian.

Maybe the difference in phenotypes between Maori and Pacific Islanders is not remotely that subtle and I'm way off base, but somehow I doubt it...?

 

[Ziggurat]

You're the cork in the rectum of progress.

You're the enema backwash I'm attempting to restrain.

Get a room, you two.

 

[phatred]

hi, everyone! i usually visit the jref forums every other day since i've joined but just got a keyboard for my ps3 to post.

I really hate to make my first post sound so negative but.... how come every thread that discusses race seems like everyone wants to keep the statistics hush hush. I think every race has certain downfalls, why can't they be discussed? This seems to be the only taboo subject around here. If it was an employee survey about religion it might get 500 posts, but who knows. The black murder/rape cases by me (near Chicago) is staggering compared to white, does that make me racist for stating that? Also if he said it was all whites getting child support deducted and none non-white, would he get the same negetive feedback?

 

[The Atheist]

hi, everyone! i usually visit the jref forums every other day since i've joined but just got a keyboard for my ps3 to post.

Welcome along!

I think every race has certain downfalls, why can't they be discussed?

Because highlighting negative statistics on a race basis makes you a racist.

I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

 

[332nd]

hi, everyone! i usually visit the jref forums every other day since i've joined but just got a keyboard for my ps3 to post.

I really hate to make my first post sound so negative but.... how come every thread that discusses race seems like everyone wants to keep the statistics hush hush. I think every race has certain downfalls, why can't they be discussed? This seems to be the only taboo subject around here. If it was an employee survey about religion it might get 500 posts, but who knows. The black murder/rape cases by me (near Chicago) is staggering compared to white, does that make me racist for stating that? Also if he said it was all whites getting child support deducted and none non-white, would he get the same negetive feedback?

Would you use those statistics to try to talk white friends/family out of moving to a neighborhood just because mostly black people live there?

 

[Undesired Walrus]

I think every race has certain downfalls, why can't they be discussed?

Races aren't monolithic entities like Pokemon.

The black murder/rape cases by me (near Chicago) is staggering compared to white, does that make me racist for stating that?

No. And it's a regular strawman that there is a PC barricade against such discussion. Black crime is a frequent debate throughout the western world.

 

[The Atheist]

Races aren't monolithic entities like Pokemon.

No, but they do exist and there are generalities.

Check out middle-distance running records over the past century for details.

No. And it's a regular strawman that there is a PC barricade against such discussion. Black crime is a frequent debate throughout the western world.

With this, I disagree entirely.

Show me where I've written anything remotely racist in this thread, then ask why these comments were made:

Ignore the "confounding variables", it's the color of the skin that matters.

Daredelvis

Is 'black' now the term for anybody who acts violently and lazy?

...sorry. Just an ignorant black here. Surprised I can even get on teh internet!

Oh, those pesky Negroes, they've been nothing but trouble since we let them leave the plantation!

Upon copying those, I note I missed an actual question from Shemp, which is a particularly valid question as well!

Do you have any statistics on what percentage of company owners and CEOs are paying child support or would fail drug tests?

No, I don't have any details on those, but I'd lay huge odds-on money that most company owners who are liable for child support don't have to get it deducted by the government because they refuse to pay it voluntarily.

As to whether they'd fail drug tests, again, I'd be taking large bets that they generally wouldn't since drug use and being a success are usually mutually exclusive.

Now, failed companies and rug use might be an interesting one...

 

[332nd]

With this, I disagree entirely.

Show me where I've written anything remotely racist in this thread, then ask why these comments were made:

Show me where the debate was halted due to those comments.

 

[Fnord]

It is never racist to point out verifiable statistics - they are what they are. It is in the interpretation of those facts that racism creeps in and leaves its filth.

 

[332nd]

It is never racist to point out verifiable statistics - they are what they are. It is in the interpretation of those facts that racism creeps in and leaves its filth.

^ This.

 

[Ziggurat]

No. And it's a regular strawman that there is a PC barricade against such discussion. Black crime is a frequent debate throughout the western world.

I'm not sure what you mean by "barricade". I've discussed black crime here on this message board. But I also got attacked for doing so, basically on the grounds that what I said was racist, even though what I said was simply factual. Not everyone attacked me for what I said, but it happened. There is indeed a sensitivity to discussing racial issues here. And it's understandable. But it's not always rational.

 

[phatred]

Sorry, not sure how to quote properly.

"Would you use those statistics to try to talk white friends/family out of moving to a neighborhood just because mostly black people live there?"

No, I'd look at where they were planning to move and look at crime rates, not racial population.

"No. And it's a regular strawman that there is a PC barricade against such discussion. Black crime is a frequent debate throughout the western world."

I never said there was a barricade, it just always seems to get negative feedback. I would agree it is a hot topic, but a topic which always seems to bring up hostility. If someone brought up serial killer statistics and showed me 90% of them were white, I'd say yeah you're right and the white community should start helping to prevent it. I wouldn't get offened and tell them they're racist. (btw i am white)

 

[phatred]

Ugh. Sorry for double post ps3 browser has text box limit.

"It is never racist to point out verifiable statistics - they are what they are. It is in the interpretation of those facts that racism creeps in and leaves its filth."

So lets say based on statistics, blacks commit 8 times more violent crimes than whites. Would I be wrong and filthy if I interpreted that as I am 8 times more likely to get assaulted by a black person if it was a half black half white population?

 

[332nd]

Sorry, not sure how to quote properly.

"Would you use those statistics to try to talk white friends/family out of moving to a neighborhood just because mostly black people live there?"

No, I'd look at where they were planning to move and look at crime rates, not racial population.

Ok, then it's not racist. Having said that, many people do use it in that way and that is what causes the negative reaction. Now, that isn't rational either, but many (in the US at least) have a love with fighting fire with fire even though everything gets burned.

(There should be a quote button in the lower right hand side of the frame around the post.)

ETA: Oh Crap PS3... I never tried to post on one of those. Maybe highlight it and put[ quote ] [ /quote] before and after the section you want to quote. You'll need to remove the spaces [q___e] [/q___e}

 

[Fnord]

Ugh. Sorry for double post ps3 browser has text box limit.

"It is never racist to point out verifiable statistics - they are what they are. It is in the interpretation of those facts that racism creeps in and leaves its filth."

So lets say based on statistics, blacks commit 8 times more violent crimes than whites. Would I be wrong and filthy if I interpreted that as I am 8 times more likely to get assaulted by a black person if it was a half black half white population?

As I said, it is in the interpretation of those facts that racism creeps in...

And, unfortunately, some folks are more prone to seeing racist motivations in the interpretation than others, just as some folks are more prone to making deliberately racist comments just to provoke heated discussions than others.