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Having listened to the full debate now, I am going to be fair and say that Ron performed much better than he did in the first debate.

Ron seemed to nail down some details that had Gage on the run, although he still tried to handwave a few of Gage's arguments.

All in all, I would say it was a win for Ron, but that is partly because I don't think Richard Gage represents the truth movement very well at all. I would like a debate between Jones and Craig.

There was a debate between Jones and Leslie Robertson a few years ago in which, in my opinion, Jones handed Robertson his ass.

I am still interested in what Gage said a few minutes into the debate. He said that he was glad that Ron was fully supporting a new investigation into WTC7. Ron didn't correct him so I assume it is true. Anybody know anything about this?
 
vinniem said:
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There was a debate between Jones and Leslie Robertson a few years ago in which, in my opinion, Jones handed Robertson his ass.
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Got delusions like Jones? Yes you do...

Why did you make this failed statement? Because you lack knowledge?

Jones has delusions.
Robertson builds large buildings

Jones got fired for spewing delusions.
Robertson gets work to build buildings.

Jones makes up thermite.
Robertson says Jones ideas are nonsense.

You and Jones win the dirt dumb delusion award; good going!
 
bill smith said:
Still Counselor he does constituently vonvince well over 90% of every audience that he speaks to,technical or otherwise that the buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition.

Not only floors. I believe he was wondering where the 110 ACRES of floorpans were gone. Also the double layer of steel floor reinforcing- some 220 ACRES in all. H didn't even mention where most of the 10 MILES of core columns were gone.Even if most of the concrete was converted to micron-sized particles the steel should all remain. It's not in the rubble. It's-just-not-there.

So all in all it is entirely evident that you are completely and utterly wrong. Richard Gage is massively effective and proves it time after time after time..
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Completely agree Bill we need to build more momentum. I don't know why we only have five licensed structural/civil engineers in New York State and another five in the tristate area. I think that structural and civil engineers are either too lazy and have not bothered to see Richard's evidence or they just don't care.

I think we really need to recruit more licensed engineers. THe ASCE conference annual conference normally attracts about 10,000 structural and civil engineers. They fly in from all around the states to catch up with their training and discuss hot engineering topics. The 137th conference is in Orlando this year.

So we just need to get Richard down there. Even if they don't let him speak, we could hand out fliers and give a conference in a nearby hotel.

Richard is so effective and can convince 95% of the people he speaks to. It must increase our numbers. So lets raise funds for the ASCE conference and the New York State tour. What could be a better way of celebrating our first 1,000 architects and engineer professionals.
 
Telltale Tom said:
Completely agree Bill we need to build more momentum. I don't know why we only have five licensed structural/civil engineers in New York State and another five in the tristate area.
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I attribute this to the fact that essentially every local engineer either saw some aspect of WTC or knows some engineer that did. There were lots of engineers on-site by the time WTC7 collapsed. They all know that fire and the lack of firefighting was the basic cause of the collapse of WTC1, 2, and 7.

This is just like the fact that there are NO eyewitnesses to the collapse of the towers that claim that man-made demolition was the cause. That would be 100s of thousands of eyewitnesses.

You could prove me wrong by naming someone along with their quote.
 
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I have to disagree. I'm about 80% through it and I am disturbed by a few points:

- Gage get probably 5 times more "talk time" than Craig. I haven't gone through and checked the actual ratio, but I don't think I'd be too far wrong.

- Gage interrupted Craig on a couple of occasions (with long statements) and the host just let him run on.

- Just how many times did Gage "pimp" his website?

- Although Craig was calm and reasoned, he let Gage get away with too many irrelevant or incorrect points.

Edited to add: And Gage kept referring to Jones discredited study; he should have made Gage stick to 'engineering', not chemistry.

I don't think Ron Craig effectively debated Gage.

LashL said:
Listening live... this is great. I missed the first half hour but ...

http://zoomerradio.ca/

Ron is absolutely rocking. Dick is ... well, Dicking himself (er, um, or maybe JAQing off, or maybe dicksing his own potatoes?)
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beachnut said:
Wrong again. Pushing lies like this pretty much expose you as a no evidence guy.

You need to work with people who do welding and cutting. Experience and knowledge are useful if you want to try to push lies so you can do a better job. At least 9/11 truth is no better than your attempted false information excursion.

If you are trying to say this was cut by thermite to bring down the WTC, you are making up stuff or just telling a lie. Which is it?
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Jesus farkin christ how many times do people have to bring this photo up
it must have been discussed on the internet in relation to 911 for
the 100,000 time nothing can be established from it really as far
as i can tell.

You see look this the problem when you recycle all the evidence
because later no one can tell what really did it the quickest way to
solve the head splitting debate would be to do a farkin forensic test of
the slag hanging of the steel
 
thecritta said:
Jesus farkin christ how many times do people have to bring this photo up
it must have been discussed on the internet in relation to 911 for
the 100,000 time nothing can be established from it really as far
as i can tell.

You see look this the problem when you recycle all the evidence
because later no one can tell what really did it the quickest way to
solve the head splitting debate would be to do a farkin forensic test of
the slag hanging of the steel
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The fact that you think "nothing can be established" rather than just saying this was another Steven Jones faisl is why it will keep getting brought up I suspect.
 
Just listening to the debate now.

At about 61 mins Ron says there was no molten metal AT ALL! I don't agree with that at all.

Shame we can't glue Mark Roberts and Ron Craig together. Speaking of Mark, its a shame he didn't do a long debate like this
 
Well at least the truth movement people have got the guts to speak out to the public.

On Feb 19th we will be speaking out in San Fransisco at the Marines Memorial Club and Hotel at 11am to celebrate reaching our first 1,000 architects and/or engineers with degrees and/or licenses from around the world. ( See the location, even the marines think it was an inside job.!)

And I bet there will not be one gutless non-truther in sight. You might think we are crazy but at least we will stand up for our beliefs. Where are the millions of licensed engineers that dont believe in CD now.?

We have more licensed structural/civil engineers in CA than in any other state. We have a total of 10 licensed structural/civil engineers, including 3 people with SE credentials, which means they are even allowed to design tall buildings. ( I bet there are hardly any of them in CA) . Our SE heroes are:

Ron Brookman SE
David Topete SE
Kamal Obeid SE

I can't wait to see an explosion of activity in the media.
 
Telltale Tom said:
... Our SE heroes are:

Ron Brookman SE
David Topete SE
Kamal Obeid SE

I can't wait to see an explosion of activity in the media.
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... three people who have no clue they support moronic ideas on 911. That would be cool if we educate the media and expose the Gage fraud where Gage collects money and travels spreading lies to hook more idiots to donate more money.

Next time bring some evidence from these clueless members of Gage delusion club to help see how stupid they are on 911.

... lol, Ron Brookman studied 911 so well he can't get the collapse time right for the towers of WTC7. Good for you a failure on 911 and apologizing for terrorists with not real capability to understand 911. He would really like to know? How truthy of him, he must not have much knowledge of physics, or structural engineering; another failed statement of paranoid junk.
I would really like to know why complete collapse of the twin towers "became inevitable" as expressed by NIST without any scientific analysis to substantiate it. Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing most of the contents into dust and ash - twice? Why would WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified - and necessary - for all three collapses. http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=997441
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8 years and he has no clue what he is talking about.

David Topete goes all out and presents; his lack of knowledge.
I am curious to know more about WTC 7, and how that structure collapsed, while no other adjacent structures suffered such fate. http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=997372
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Good for Topete, another failed 911 truther, he does not post much like Ron did, as Ron uses NIST to support his delusions and at the same time tried to discredit NIST. So far 2 experts with no knowledge and Zero evidence to support the idiotic nonsense of Gage.

Will Kamal Obeid be able to apologize effectively for terrorists and save Gage's lies from the bit bucket?
Only recently have I begun to examine the structural collapse of the buildings. Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition. http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=998760
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No evidence just rumors of red flags, and it seems Obeid forgot to learn to read and can't comment professionally on the NIST report on WTC7. Thermite makes Kamal's support a failure.

Three uniformed paranoid conspiracy theorists who may not realize they are paranoid conspiracy theorists supporting the idiotic rant and insane delusions of Gage. I have a feeling the media would love to expose a few professionals who claim to be architects but can't understand structures and have to make up delusions to feed their paranoid minds.
 
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thecritta said:
Jesus farkin christ how many times do people have to bring this photo up
it must have been discussed on the internet in relation to 911 for
the 100,000 time nothing can be established from it really as far
as i can tell.

You see look this the problem when you recycle all the evidence
because later no one can tell what really did it the quickest way to
solve the head splitting debate would be to do a farkin forensic test of
the slag hanging of the steel
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I made this post a while ago in another thread explaining exactly what that is on that column.

Justin39640 said:
with the right setup you could cut that in a few minutes
obviously senenmut you have never held a torch

for everyone else i think you misunderstood me
i wasnt talking about the angle that the entire beam was cut on (there were lots of beams cut flat)
look closely at the pic again but only the face i circled here
cutbeam1.jpg

im talking about the slits at a 45 degree angle on the cut face (from outside to inside)
these are the torch marks
it was a fast sloppy cut (obviously speed was required not neat cuts) the slag was blown out the back of the cut and onto the front of the beam
explosives thermite whatever you want to think would never have left those marks
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...GOOD DAY SIR!
 
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