Split Thread Where is the evidence for Flight 77?

[TruthersLie]

Twin.

I would just be happy to see any truther present any type of simplified narrative which explained ANY part of 9/11. Yet all we ever see is.
da guvmint did it
da jews did it
da masons did it
da NWO
da illuminati
MOTHRA did it (oh wait, that is my pet theory).

They can't agree on HOW anything was done, WHO did it, WHY it was done.

I wish they would at least provide a simple who, what, when and how it was done. But that is too hard for scooby and the gang.

 

[thecritta]

Ah... welcome back twoof.

You have proof of the murder of 3,000 people by the US government... one would think that you would bring it to the public by ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

Instead of starting a phone call with
"you stupid spineless government shills, I demand to know where you have the remains of the FALSE FLAG terror attacks of 9/11" you might just want to ask real questions. It does wonders.

usually starting a conversation with "you stupid ugly muther****ers are too ignorant and inbred to be helpful" doesn't put things out on the right foot.

I would start by asking them if they know what happened to the wreckage
of the plane what exactly was recovered where it was taken what is being done with it, whether any of the wreckage has been positively identified thats i wouldnt use the words you propose on lunatic would do that screaming insults down the phone at someone is not going to get any answers and normal person should know that and of course when making any enquiries over the phone one should be very polite but then again the people at the airline company would probably catch on or suspect you are a member of the truthmovement.

 

[TruthersLie]

Critta.

Then by all means make the phone call. Or use the email I posted for algebra. Feel free. Why haven't you already made that phone call? I did.

I even emailed them and <gasp> they responded to my inquiries. Feel free.

I eagerly await the information that they provide you. What are you waiting for? Or is it tooooooo hard to do? (or does mom not allow you to use the phone for long distance calls?)

ETA: Now you should just get the AA contact us # and ask anything about how much was recovered and positively identified. You should ask who you need to speak to concerning the events of the crashing of flight 77 and that you have some more detailed quesitons you would like to ask. Then call that person. Or email them.

 

[TJM]

I would start by asking them if they know what happened to the wreckage
of the plane what exactly was recovered where it was taken what is being done with it, whether any of the wreckage has been positively identified thats i wouldnt use the words you propose on lunatic would do that screaming insults down the phone at someone is not going to get any answers and normal person should know that and of course when making any enquiries over the phone one should be very polite but then again the people at the airline company would probably catch on or suspect you are a member of the truthmovement.

Anyone want a crack at this? I think he's whining about truthers not being bright enough to have a civilized conversation or something.

Then of course, email would seem to be a solution for those who can write...

 

[DGM]

I would start by asking them if they know what happened to the wreckage
of the plane what exactly was recovered where it was taken what is being done with it, whether any of the wreckage has been positively identified thats i wouldnt use the words you propose on lunatic would do that screaming insults down the phone at someone is not going to get any answers and normal person should know that and of course when making any enquiries over the phone one should be very polite but then again the people at the airline company would probably catch on or suspect you are a member of the truthmovement.

I'm going to help you find the answers to the questions you seek (I feel generous today).

By using this link and contacting those involved you will find your answers.

http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf

Now, do you really want to know the truth?

 

[leftysergeant]

Yeah but all bets are off for JREFIES finding any new evidence that supports
AA77 hitting the pentagon

We have photos of wing marks on the facade of the Pentagon, eyewitness accounts of an aircraft hitting the facade, the FDR and CVR from an aircraft identified as hijacked, DNA of reported passengers and unknown persons presumed to be hijackers, video of something about the size of an aircraft moving toward the Pentagon at or about 450 MPH just prior to the formation of a fireball that could only have been created by several thousand gallons of liquid hydrocarbon fuel, and we have photos of identifiable aircraft parts on the lawn in front of the building.

Let me tell you something about salvaging aircraft parts from a crash scene. They are retained only if they have evidenciary value in on-going investigations.

To this end, the aircraft parts other than the black boxes were of no value. Why on earth would anybody retain them? Why would anybody expect a bunch of sociopaths and criminals and domestic terrorists to start shrieking, a year or more after the scrap had been disposed of, that there was something fishy?

Now, let's deal with things that exist in this time/space continuum.

 

[thecritta]

We have photos of wing marks on the facade of the Pentagon, eyewitness accounts of an aircraft hitting the facade, the FDR and CVR from an aircraft identified as hijacked, DNA of reported passengers and unknown persons presumed to be hijackers, video of something about the size of an aircraft moving toward the Pentagon at or about 450 MPH just prior to the formation of a fireball that could only have been created by several thousand gallons of liquid hydrocarbon fuel, and we have photos of identifiable aircraft parts on the lawn in front of the building.

Let me tell you something about salvaging aircraft parts from a crash scene. They are retained only if they have evidenciary value in on-going investigations.

To this end, the aircraft parts other than the black boxes were of no value. Why on earth would anybody retain them? Why would anybody expect a bunch of sociopaths and criminals and domestic terrorists to start shrieking, a year or more after the scrap had been disposed of, that there was something fishy?

Now, let's deal with things that exist in this time/space continuum.

Right and let me guess all of this evidence is just soo consistent with what we have been told right?

 

[JimBenArm]

Right and let me guess all of this evidence is just soo consistent with what we have been told right?

Of course it is. That's what makes it suspect. If it didn't fit with what really happened, then we'd have evidence of, uhm, something? Yeah, that's it, something!

 

[TruthersLie]

Right and let me guess all of this evidence is just soo consistent with what we have been told right?

I have a feeling you have never served on jury duty. Nor taken any type of public debate course, nor ever done a mock trial. Pity. All three would show you exactly how piss poor your arguments are.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Right and let me guess all of this evidence is just soo consistent with what we have been told right?

Yes, and that reveals why conspiracy theorist thinking is fundamentally broken. Conspiracy theorists demand a full explanation of every detail of the events of the day within a single consistent theory. If there are any fine details that appear not to be well explained, they will use these as a pretext to reject the entire explanation. If there are no fine details that appear not to be well enough explained, they will argue that no historical event can possibly be understood in such fine detail, and will therefore reject the explanation as an obvious fabrication. They therefore have no suitable tools with which to assess the validity of an explanation, hence their preference between explanations is entirely uncorrelated to their validity. When they're right, it's only by chance; when they're wrong, they have no way of knowing it.

Dave

 

[DGM]

What thecritta, no thanks for giving you a link that contains the contacts to answer all your questions? Your not too shy to talk to people in the real world are you?

 

[Arus808]

Just came by to see if the "skeptics" have found any evidence that identifies Flight 77. Sursprise, surprise, they haven't.

Like Algebra, all you have to do is contact AA and UA. of coures, both of you are lazy truthers, so we dont expect that you will do anything

Keep looking elsewhere for your answers, when the companies that own those planes are the ones you should speaking to.

 

[BirdyBuddy]

Yes nothing. Except for RADAR, the FDR, DNA, eyewitnesses, ect. Nothing at all.

Yeah...

There you have it! critta DOES accept the current evidence for AA77!

...but all bets are off for JREFIES finding any new evidence that supports AA77 hitting the pentagon

Now, for whatever reason, he's just looking for NEW evidence.

 

[twinstead]

Oh, I see it now. All the very compelling evidence that exists, no matter how extensive, is simply OLD evidence. We all know now that only newest, freshest evidence matters.

Case solved. The jig is up boys!

 

[Baylor]

Yes, and that reveals why conspiracy theorist thinking is fundamentally broken. Conspiracy theorists demand a full explanation of every detail of the events of the day within a single consistent theory. If there are any fine details that appear not to be well explained, they will use these as a pretext to reject the entire explanation. If there are no fine details that appear not to be well enough explained, they will argue that no historical event can possibly be understood in such fine detail, and will therefore reject the explanation as an obvious fabrication. They therefore have no suitable tools with which to assess the validity of an explanation, hence their preference between explanations is entirely uncorrelated to their validity. When they're right, it's only by chance; when they're wrong, they have no way of knowing it.

Dave

I concur, the tenacity of CTers is really incredible. Instead of letting go of their beliefs, they lash out at those who explain to them that their beliefs are flawed as if it's OUR fault they lack a brain. The JREF is no stranger to seeing people upset. We've all seen the charade before. We ruin people's fantasies, they get upset and end up getting banned. Then they come back as sockpuppets because they don't want to look at their fat wives (take Homeland Insurgency for expample.) After his wife got done eating two tons of biscuits and gravy, he'd come here to troll. Then he got mad at us for being smarter than him.

 

[vinniem]

We have photos of wing marks on the facade of the Pentagon, eyewitness accounts of an aircraft hitting the facade, the FDR and CVR from an aircraft identified as hijacked, DNA of reported passengers and unknown persons presumed to be hijackers, video of something about the size of an aircraft moving toward the Pentagon at or about 450 MPH just prior to the formation of a fireball that could only have been created by several thousand gallons of liquid hydrocarbon fuel, and we have photos of identifiable aircraft parts on the lawn in front of the building.

Let me tell you something about salvaging aircraft parts from a crash scene. They are retained only if they have evidenciary value in on-going investigations.

To this end, the aircraft parts other than the black boxes were of no value. Why on earth would anybody retain them? Why would anybody expect a bunch of sociopaths and criminals and domestic terrorists to start shrieking, a year or more after the scrap had been disposed of, that there was something fishy?

Now, let's deal with things that exist in this time/space continuum.

Are you saying the parts from the 4 planes on 911 have now been thrown away? Please present your evidence for this.

We know Flight 93 debris has been kept in Iron Mountain.

 

[Arus808]

Are you saying the parts from the 4 planes on 911 have now been thrown away? Please present your evidence for this.

Investigation is done. NTSB knows why the planes crashed (it wasn't mechanical failure), so keeping the parts from the planes wouldn't be high priority. The plane parts would have been turned over to their respective airlines to do with as they please (since they own the planes)

Tell use where the debris from TWA Flight 800 is today.

 

[DGM]

Are you saying the parts from the 4 planes on 911 have now been thrown away? Please present your evidence for this.

We know Flight 93 debris has been kept in Iron Mountain.

No plane parts from UA 93 are at Iron Mountain. I contacted them way back when and they provided a list of what was there. No plane.

 

[ripsaw_22]

urgh...i dont know how you guys have the energy to keep up your arguments against such stupidity! troofers have fewer brain cells than that fluff you find in your pockets...

 

[leftysergeant]

Are you saying the parts from the 4 planes on 911 have now been thrown away? Please present your evidence for this.

We know Flight 93 debris has been kept in Iron Mountain.

The remains of the aircraft were not evidence against anyone other than the hijackers. They are not going to stand trial for anything on this plane of existance. God don't need no stinkin' scrap metal. He knows what happened.