AE 911 Truth at Full Juggernaut Strength (1,000)

[Leviath]

This should be

(1,000) * (1.16)^y = (1,000,000) * (1.01)^y

y = 49

Of course, it's a useless equation.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Would those "scientific disproofs" be as solid as your own mathematical research?

How about you answer the question.

Maybe you can answer it after you get over how you embarrassed yourself by ham-fistedly implying that a random sampling of 35 million people wouldn't contain any engineers. Or your general ignorance of what that number of people dropping "teh Twoof" would have on various twoofer sects.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

AE911Truth's list of names is utterly meaningless. The vast, vast majority of those individuals are doing absolutely nothing to further the search The Truth™, and Gage doesn't even seem to be pressuring them to change that fact.

That tells me he's not looking for people who are willing to contribute. He's just looking for names to pad his list.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

How many times has Dick Gage been interviewed on TV in the last three or four years?

By my count he has done BBC Conspiracy Files Twice, the CBC Fifth Estate once, History Channel once and National Geographic Channel once. And he has likely done more than that.

That's a helluva lot of major media exposure for someone who is the leader of a bizarre extremist cult with a three-digit membership. It's funny how he can't seem to parlay that into more growth for his personal fan club.

 

[deep]

AE911Truth's list of names is utterly meaningless. The vast, vast majority of those individuals are doing absolutely nothing to further the search The Truth™, and Gage doesn't even seem to be pressuring them to change that fact.

That tells me he's not looking for people who are willing to contribute. He's just looking for names to pad his list.

Right - he's looking for Architects & Engineers who support a new investigation. It's a petition - there are no ongoing membership requirements.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

It must be frustrating for them to know that it's never going to happen.

They might have had more luck, and produced a better result for our society, had they signed the "Bring Back Firefly" petition instead.

 

[metamars]

There he goes again!!!

How many times has Dick Gage been interviewed on TV in the last three or four years?

By my count he has done BBC Conspiracy Files Twice, the CBC Fifth Estate once, History Channel once and National Geographic Channel once. And he has likely done more than that.

That's a helluva lot of major media exposure for someone who is the leader of a bizarre extremist cult with a three-digit membership. It's funny how he can't seem to parlay that into more growth for his personal fan club.

(emphasis mine)

Check it out:

1,000 = 1 X 1,000 + 0 X 100 + 0 X 10 + 0 X 1

That's four, count 'em, four terms! Each corresponding to a unique digit in the base-10 number 1,000.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Right - he's looking for Architects & Engineers who support a new investigation. It's a petition [...]

So what's the magic number? One thousand? Will this petition be submitted to... uhh... yeah...

And what good is merely signing your name to a petition expressing a desire for a new investigation when you're actually one of the very people with the skill necessary to carry out said investigation? That seems rather... pointless...

What good is this "petition"?

 

[Sam.I.Am]

(emphasis mine)

Check it out:

1,000 = 1 X 1,000 + 0 X 100 + 0 X 10 + 0 X 1

That's four, count 'em, four terms! Each corresponding to a unique digit in the base-10 number 1,000.

How many members were there when those shows were originally aired?

 

[alienentity]

From 911blogger: What’s Next for AE911Truth? — Richard Gage, AIA Jan 20, 2010

Apparently, any political strategy has been abandoned, unless Gage is keeping his cards close to his chest.

The political / sociological questions are obviously (to me) much more vexing than growing the membership of ae911truth. In a way, I can't blame him - good ideas for attacking the systemic corruption of the US government are few and far between.


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It's my impression that a lot of the WAC groups are younger. Hopefully, as they mature, they can increase their political effectiveness, and even provide a huge spark to a democratic revival. ...

Some good observations, however IMHO you are far, far too generous with Mr. Gage. First, he hasn't added any good ideas for attacking the corruption in American politics. At best he's a distraction from meaningful reform, because of his obstinate focus on invalid myths.

There are large numbers of intelligent activists throughout the developed nations, struggling against various injustices and imbalances in our systems. Within the US itself there are plenty of smart, articulate people who can describe the types of systemic corruption which have taken root, and who also can suggest some remedies.

None of these involve the mythical invocation of explosive demolition of the WTC buildings, for example. The 9/11 truth movement is, by it's own obsessive focus, guaranteed to be irrelevant to any real process for change - the focus on nonsense is a waste of everyone's time, IMHO.

I mean, the signal to noise ratio is so poor that it can never be taken seriously, nor should it ever be.
Just one example of how useless 9/11 truth is comes from the lapses in security which allowed the 9/11 attacks in the first place: by insisting that the gaps were deliberate, that the operation was a false flag, that there were no terrorists, or what-have-you, there is no chance truthers can provide any constructive criticism - they abandoned that role long ago.

Why should anybody care what a bunch of idiots think about national security? They don't count.

There are better alternatives to the current system which need encouragement and development: 9/11 truth is not one of them.

That's my two cents, growing exponentially

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

(emphasis mine)

Check it out:

1,000 = 1 X 1,000 + 0 X 100 + 0 X 10 + 0 X 1

That's four, count 'em, four terms! Each corresponding to a unique digit in the base-10 number 1,000.

At the time he was interviewed by each of those TV programs, his membership was three digits.

Feel free to check airdates versus the date of his 1k announcement.

EDIT: My fellow former sub-mariner beat me to it.

 

[Scott Sommers]

How many times has Dick Gage been interviewed on TV in the last three or four years?

By my count he has done BBC Conspiracy Files Twice, the CBC Fifth Estate once, History Channel once and National Geographic Channel once. And he has likely done more than that.

That's a helluva lot of major media exposure for someone who is the leader of a bizarre extremist cult with a three-digit membership. It's funny how he can't seem to parlay that into more growth for his personal fan club.

I'm not sure he wamts to. What if he really has to demonstrate that he has serious support? He has no evidence that can stand up in court. He sound pretty when he's talking to himself, but if he has to deal with evidence, I don't think he's going do so well. Besides, I doubt he really believes any of this.

Regardless, this does raise a good point to our Truther friends. Why isn't gage out there spending their money more effectively? So what if he gets on TV a few times? Let's see a real convention where he calls out the AAA. Let's see him really call on his 1001 architects and engineers and see how many show up. Why don't one of you guys think up something you can go to court over. Stop acting like a bunch of high school kids and really do something if you believe the US government really slaughters thousands.

 

[alienentity]

I'm not sure he wamts to. What if he really has to demonstrate that he has serious support? He has no evidence that can stand up in court.

<snip> Why don't one of you guys think up something you can go to court over. Stop acting like a bunch of high school kids and really do something if you believe the US government really slaughters thousands.

It is highly unlikely that any competent investigation is going to overturn the basic findings of the NIST and FEMA reports anyway. If and when such an investigation takes place, truthers are going to be in an even worse position than they are today. Their claims will have been shown, once again, to be fatally disconnected with the actual tragic events.

 

[MIKILLINI]

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I'm curious is there are firms plans to make another run at getting a serious investigation. Anybody know?

AE 911 haven't done anything that could be considered as serious. Lack of evidence is their problem.

 

[Orphia Nay]

So, you are a member of A&E911T? What architectural or engineering qualifications do you have?

You know the ae911truth is very clear that anyone can join.

Just because we don't have any support from licensed structural engineers doesn't mean that we are not a power for change.

We are only a thousand from around the world and we have at least 80 licensed structural/civil engineers. But we are growing and we have a leadership that is dedicated to change. We have the stamina to keep going and it seems to me the debunker movement is tired and finished. They have said everything they can say, while we can keep going.

Since you didn't answer my question fully, I have to read between the lines. You don't have any Architectural or Engineering qualifications, right?

Are you counted as one of the 1,000?

If so, they are liars calling themselves "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth".

If not, why do you say "we are only a thousand from around the world, we... etc."?

AE911Truth's list of names is utterly meaningless. The vast, vast majority of those individuals are doing absolutely nothing to further the search The Truth™, and Gage doesn't even seem to be pressuring them to change that fact.

That tells me he's not looking for people who are willing to contribute. He's just looking for names to pad his list.

Yep. Argumentum ad Populum fallacy and more in action, Dicky G.

 

[Obviousman]

Would someone bring me up to date: how many actual licenced architects and structural engineers do they actually have?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Would someone bring me up to date: how many actual licenced architects and structural engineers do they actually have?

Whatever the number, the answer is apparently "not enough". They don't seem to be doing anything with all this support, except waving the list in front of anyone willing to give them money to continue doing nothing.

 

[Scott Sommers]

Since you didn't answer my question fully, I have to read between the lines. You don't have any Architectural or Engineering qualifications, right?

Are you counted as one of the 1,000?

If so, they are liars calling themselves "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth".

If not, why do you say "we are only a thousand from around the world, we... etc."?

Yep. Argumentum ad Populum fallacy and more in action, Dicky G.

It sounds like a better name for the group might be 'A Couple of Dozen Architects & Engineers and Anyone else Who Wants to Join for 911 Truth'. No wonder Gage doesn't really want to make much noise. What if anyone really found out about this?

It reminds me of all these 911 Truth Facebook clubs. They're all over the world now and some of them have hundreds of members. But ALL of the hundreds of members are the same people joining every single one of the groups. In fact, many people join several times as indivuals and again as 91 Truth groups they've formed. It's the same names over and over and over again. There probably isn't more than 200 or 300 people on the entire Facebook who belong to these 911 Truth groups.

 

[triforcharity]

Here's what I see this whole A&E thing.

I personally wouldn't give a flying rats ass if they parade every single one of those idiots through my office stating their "facts". I can still look at 100 different websites that post verifiable facts, and undeniable evidence, that they are wrong.

It's just a good list for reference. Before you hire an engineer/architect/software designer/ lawn boy or pool boy, look at that list. If there on it, you don't hire them.

Actually, I see this as a win for everyone. Well, except the truth movement.

 

[Hokulele]

Here's what I see this whole A&E thing.

I personally wouldn't give a flying rats ass if they parade every single one of those idiots through my office stating their "facts". I can still look at 100 different websites that post verifiable facts, and undeniable evidence, that they are wrong.

It's just a good list for reference. Before you hire an engineer/architect/software designer/ lawn boy or pool boy, look at that list. If there on it, you don't hire them.

Actually, I see this as a win for everyone. Well, except the truth movement.

What makes the whole thing even sillier, is that originally they were signed up to add their expertise to the cause specifically in the fields which one would think would apply to the topic.

So what do they all end up talking about?

Thermite and politics.

*Facepalm*