AE 911 Truth at Full Juggernaut Strength (1,000)

Now that more than 1,000 degreed and licenced architects and engineers are demanding a new and independent investigation into 9/11 will Congress listen ?Can we use these numbers to ambarrass the hell out if them for pointedly (and obviously) looking the other way ? Do people really know this ? Will the media tell ? lol

Oh, no, Congress won't do a thing. Perhaps a member, here or there, who will get no support. Haven't you noticed that GW Bush, Condoleeza Rice, Dick Cheney, etc., are free as birds? In the case of Bush, they can pull in over 100K per speech. No war crimes prosecutions for them - not even a truth and reconciliation committee!

So, when crimes are well-known, their perpetrators receive zero accountability. But a 911 investigation, which has no political support by the same politicians who can be so cowardly (at least in the case of Democrats) when it comes to war mongering lies, torture, etc., are supposed to somehow change their spots and at least open their mouths?

I don't think so.

We know by now that Obama is quite a liar, and his lie about the 'not campaigning on a public option' is one of the most outrageous. His back door deal with Tauzin, in which they basically agreed not to correct Medicare Part D, and thus allow the pharmaceutical companies to continue legally looting the American taxpayer, was a stab in the back to working class Americans of all political persuasions. Oh, and if you want to read about 'Constitutional scholar' Obama's fidelity to the Constitution, read Glen Greenwald and Chris Hedges.

Morally, Obama's administration is status quo, and the continuation of so many of Bush's disgusting policies is almost eery. Who would have thought that 'Obama = 3rd term of GW Bush' actually makes so much sense, from a year ago? I mean, to this extent? OK, there were probably a lot, en toto, but as a group they weren't prominent.

Unfortunately, the 911 Truth Movement seems awfully naive, politically, when it comes to having a viable political strategy. Fortunately, 911 truthers are less naive than the general public when it comes to understanding how the Democratic/Republican duopoly obscures a commonality in which corruption and non-stop lying (including lying by omission) is the order of the civic day. Partly this is because activist groups, in general, typically fail to achieve fundamental change, even when those deep changes have majoritarian appeal. However, this 'lesser naivete' doesn't translate into lesser naivete when it comes to developing a viable strategy. Especially since we're dealing with systemic corruption, a study of the history of activism in the US was called for, and would not have given a very promising prognosis even for the most enlightened of activist strategies. However, some honest, if painful, study of the our history both before and after 911 would have at least encouraged some outside-the-box thinking.

I don't recall any serious essay on 911blogger entitled anything like "What is the record of the peace movement in the US, and how can we not repeat their mistakes?" Certainly, the question of how successful has the peace movement been is relevant at at least a tactical level. But other than the Vietnam War, I can't think of a single American war or invasion that it's prevented or curtailed, nor a single perpetrator of war mongering or torture so much as censored. (Some dude is doing serious time in Leavenworth for torture of Iraqis, but I think the pressure for his prosecution had everything to do with the photos, and little to do with the peace movement.)

Of course, it much easier for movements to fail if they've been coopted. Every American should read about the "Veal Pen", which has been discussed a lot at Firedoglake.com, whereby we learn that the Obama White House can shut down the voice of prominent lefty organizations almost immediately, to suit their political ends.
 
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Now that more than 1,000 degreed and licenced architects and engineers are demanding a new and independent investigation into 9/11 will Congress listen ?Can we use these numbers to ambarrass the hell out if them for pointedly (and obviously) looking the other way ? Do people really know this ? Will the media tell ? lol

That'd be great. I'm waiting for it. I have trouble understanding the difference between 1000 and 900 or even 500, but if you say it matters, then Billy Boy, it matters to me.

But I'll be waiting to hear about this. You must be aware that at present, very few people care about any of these 911 Truth issues. 1000 does not represent a critical mass of Truthers that suddenly will have to be reconed with. If AE911 doesn't do something, no one will hear about them. It's those things they will do and how having a 1000 members makes that possible in way that 900 didn't.

Anyway, I'm waiting with baited breath to be convinced that 911 Truth isn't just a big scam run by predatory adults to sucker in the young and mentally feeble. I hope this is the time when the Juggernaut comes into my town and makes that difference.
 
So who was the lucky 1000th Truthitect? Please tell me it was someone called Mackey Moose or Gray Vee...
 
Oh, no, Congress won't do a thing. Perhaps a member, here or there, who will get no support. Haven't you noticed that GW Bush, Condoleeza Rice, Dick Cheney, etc., are free as birds? In the case of Bush, they can pull in over 100K per speech. No war crimes prosecutions for them - not even a truth and reconciliation committee!

So, when crimes are well-known, their perpetrators receive zero accountability. But a 911 investigation, which has no political support by the same politicians who can be so cowardly (at least in the case of Democrats) when it comes to war mongering lies, torture, etc., are supposed to somehow change their spots and at least open their mouths?

I don't think so.

We know by now that Obama is quite a liar, and his lie about the 'not campaigning on a public option' is one of the most outrageous. His back door deal with Tauzin, in which they basically agreed not to correct Medicare Part D, and thus allow the pharmaceutical companies to continue legally looting the American taxpayer, was a stab in the back to working class Americans of all political persuasions. Oh, and if you want to read about 'Constitutional scholar' Obama's fidelity to the Constitution, read Glen Greenwald and Chris Hedges.

Morally, Obama's administration is status quo, and the continuation of so many of Bush's disgusting policies is almost eery. Who would have thought that 'Obama = 3rd term of GW Bush' actually makes so much sense, from a year ago? I mean, to this extent? OK, there were probably a lot, en toto, but as a group they weren't prominent.

Unfortunately, the 911 Truth Movement seems awfully naive, politically, when it comes to having a viable political strategy. Fortunately, 911 truthers are less naive than the general public when it comes to understanding how the Democratic/Republican duopoly obscures a commonality in which corruption and non-stop lying (including lying by omission) is the order of the civic day. Partly this is because activist groups, in general, typically fail to achieve fundamental change, even when those deep changes have majoritarian appeal. However, this 'lesser naivete' doesn't translate into lesser naivete when it comes to developing a viable strategy. Especially since we're dealing with systemic corruption, a study of the history of activism in the US was called for, and would not have given a very promising prognosis even for the most enlightened of activist strategies. However, some honest, if painful, study of the our history both before and after 911 would have at least encouraged some outside-the-box thinking.

I don't recall any serious essay on 911blogger entitled anything like "What is the record of the peace movement in the US, and how can we not repeat their mistakes?" Certainly, the question of how successful has the peace movement been is relevant at at least a tactical level. But other than the Vietnam War, I can't think of a single American war or invasion that it's prevented or curtailed, nor a single perpetrator of war mongering or torture so much as censored. (Some dude is doing serious time in Leavenworth for torture of Iraqis, but I think the pressure for his prosecution had everything to do with the photos, and little to do with the peace movement.)

Of course, it much easier for movements to fail if they've been coopted. Every American should read about the "Veal Pen", which has been discussed a lot at Firedoglake.com, whereby we learn that the Obama White House can shut down the voice of prominent lefty organizations almost immediately, to suit their political ends.

So truthers have "1,000 degreed and licenced architects and engineers (that) are demanding a new and independent investigation into 9/11" and they still can't/won't do anything beyond whining on internet forums/blogs and youtube (plus a very small percentage that hits the streets when it isn't really rainy) ?

In the words of Florida Evans... Damn, damn, damn!
 
Now that more than 1,000 degreed and licenced architects and engineers are demanding a new and independent investigation into 9/11 will Congress listen ?

60% of Americans oppose Obamacare but congress won't listen.

The incidence of schizophrenia in the general public is roughly 1%. The numbers for various other mental illnesses that typically include poor reality testing as a primary symptom are similar, typically in the low single digits. This means that out of the 130,000 plus members of the American Society of Civil Engineers that likely somewhere around 5,000 of them would have some form of mental disease or defect. Give or take a few hundred.

Congress won't listen to more than 70 million voters, but you think they are going to snap to attention at the demands of a tiny group than can be plausibly written off as untreated schizophrenics?

Just when was your last psychiatric assessment, Bill?
 
So truthers have "1,000 degreed and licenced architects and engineers (that) are demanding a new and independent investigation into 9/11" and they still can't/won't do anything beyond whining on internet forums/blogs and youtube (plus a very small percentage that hits the streets when it isn't really rainy) ?

In the words of Florida Evans... Damn, damn, damn!

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. My problem is with the ineffectiveness of the 911 Truth movement, a ineffectiveness easily predictable given the general ineffectiveness of activist groups, the systemic corruption of the US government, and the political naivete (with a key exception already noted) of the 911 Truth Movement, in particular.

Part of the reason for my question is my curiosity as to what, precisely, Gage & Co. will do. (Surely they've noticed by now that not much has changed in Washington.) Will they petition Dennis Kucinich? Will they even petition Obama (now, there's a laugher!)? As for past actions of various 911 truthers, if you're not ignorant, then you are basically lying by omission.

BTW, if you have any brilliant, or even half-decent, ideas for strategies by activist groups in general to pursue, why don't you share them with us? Also, don't forget to tell us if they've already been tried, and if they were, how effective they were, given the state of corruption and cowardice of our lawmakers. If they're completely outside-the-box, newish ideas, why don't you use your stellar, JREF intellect to make a strong plausibility argument as to why your new strategy should work?
 
That'd be great. I'm waiting for it. I have trouble understanding the difference between 1000 and 900 or even 500, but if you say it matters, then Billy Boy, it matters to me.

But I'll be waiting to hear about this. You must be aware that at present, very few people care about any of these 911 Truth issues. 1000 does not represent a critical mass of Truthers that suddenly will have to be reconed with. If AE911 doesn't do something, no one will hear about them. It's those things they will do and how having a 1000 members makes that possible in way that 900 didn't.

Anyway, I'm waiting with baited breath to be convinced that 911 Truth isn't just a big scam run by predatory adults to sucker in the young and mentally feeble. I hope this is the time when the Juggernaut comes into my town and makes that difference.

We know that most people would just prefer that the 9/11 monstrosity just went away. 9/11 is like that crazy guy on the subway whose eye you don't want to catch. But the fact is that sooner or later you are going to have to look him in the eye. Do you understand this Scott? It can't be ignored out of existence.

So we will make certain that the guy is on the train every day for people to see if today is the day that they will bite the bullet and face the truth.

I told you before that the aim is to be certain that every man woman and child on the face of the planet Earth will know who was really behind 9/11. I think we have made great strides in achieving that aim.
 
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Go truthers.! We have hit our first 1,000.

Instead of an overseas trip I think our next big push should be in New York. Clearly the local NY architectural and engineering community have not heard Mr Gage or seen the videos. We need to wake them up.! You would have thought they would have cared about 9/11 and bothered to look at the evidence but we only have 9 licesed architects and 5 licensed structural engineers from NY.

What they need is to hear Mr Gage speak. As our web site proves Mr Gage is able to convince more than 99% of the people he speaks to that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition.

So please help him to speak or take an architect or engineer to lunch in New York now!.
 
We know that most people would just prefer that the 9/11 monstrosity just went away. 9/11 is like that crazy guy on the subway whose eye you don't want to catch. But the fact is that sooner or later you are going to have to look him in the eye. Do you understand this Scott? It can't be ignored out of existence.

So we will make certain that the guy is on the train every day for people to see if today is the day that they will bite the bullet and face the truth.

I told you before that the aim is to be certain that every man woman and child on the planet Earth will know who was really behind 9/11. I think we have made great strudes in achieving that aim.

Thanks Bill for explaining this to me. I had never imagined such ideas existed. Knowing this suddenly makes me feel differntly about this Truther Madness.

I think you are mistaken though. You state, "Do you understand this Scott? It can't be ignored out of existence." But it is being ignored. Unless you mean 911 Truth like some Biblical message of salvation - once you've heard, you're now responsible when you're judged - no one cares. I ask you, talk about it with strangers and see what happens. It's not that they haven't heard about it. It's that they think it's silly. Oh, but I forgot, polls show it's the divisive issue in America. A nation on the verge of revolution, or some such nonsense, isn't it. Don't waste my life.
 
Thanks Bill for explaining this to me. I had never imagined such ideas existed. Knowing this suddenly makes me feel differntly about this Truther Madness.

I think you are mistaken though. You state, "Do you understand this Scott? It can't be ignored out of existence." But it is being ignored. Unless you mean 911 Truth like some Biblical message of salvation - once you've heard, you're now responsible when you're judged - no one cares. I ask you, talk about it with strangers and see what happens. It's not that they haven't heard about it. It's that they think it's silly. Oh, but I forgot, polls show it's the divisive issue in America. A nation on the verge of revolution, or some such nonsense, isn't it. Don't waste my life.

Now that you have brought up the subject of a revolution Scott I think it can be said that the conditions are becoming increasingly appropriate for a new French Revolution to take place. Look at the modern Aristos and what they are doing to the people ? First they unleash 9/11 on the people of the world. Then through the bankers they create a giant banking 'crisis' and transparently steal the whole world blind.And then they use 'Big Pharma' to terrify us into parting with yet billions more by means of the Swine Flu 'Pandemic'. What's next ? Who gets the next bite ?

We have had the cake and we have eaten it but it's not much to our liking. I think I will break out my knitting and go get a good seat at the foot of the Guillotine while I still can. lol
 
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Now that you have brought up the subject of a revolution Scott I think it can be said that the conditions are becoming appropriate for a new French Revolution to take place. Look at the modern Aristos and what they are doing to the people ? First they unleash 9/11 on the people of the world. Then through the bankers they create a giant banking 'crisis' and transparently steal the whole world blind.And then they use 'Big Pharma' to terrify us into parting with yet billions more by means of the Swine Flu 'Pandemic'. What''s next ? Who gets the next bite ?

We have had the cake and we have eaten it but it's not much to our liking. I think I will break out my knitting and go get a good seat at the foot of the Guillotine while I still can. lol

What a joke. Do you really expect anyone not to laugh at this?
 
Go truthers.! We have hit our first 1,000.

Instead of an overseas trip I think our next big push should be in New York. Clearly the local NY architectural and engineering community have not heard Mr Gage or seen the videos. We need to wake them up.! You would have thought they would have cared about 9/11 and bothered to look at the evidence but we only have 9 licesed architects and 5 licensed structural engineers from NY.

What they need is to hear Mr Gage speak. As our web site proves Mr Gage is able to convince more than 99% of the people he speaks to that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition.

So please help him to speak or take an architect or engineer to lunch in New York now!.

Telltale Tom,

He won't go to NYC, because he knows that there are too many people that were eyewitnesses to the events.

I would LOVE to see that. Please, Mr. gage, come to NYC. The comedic value would almost be priceless.
 
Go truthers.! We have hit our first 1,000.

Instead of an overseas trip I think our next big push should be in New York. Clearly the local NY architectural and engineering community have not heard Mr Gage or seen the videos. We need to wake them up.! You would have thought they would have cared about 9/11 and bothered to look at the evidence but we only have 9 licesed architects and 5 licensed structural engineers from NY.

What they need is to hear Mr Gage speak. As our web site proves Mr Gage is able to convince more than 99% of the people he speaks to that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition.

So please help him to speak or take an architect or engineer to lunch in New York now!.

I hope you're being sarcastic
 
Go truthers.! We have hit our first 1,000.
And in 3 years, you'll hit 2,000 if you're lucky. Please hold your applause until after the revolution has started

Instead of an overseas trip I think our next big push should be in New York. Clearly the local NY architectural and engineering community have not heard Mr Gage or seen the videos. We need to wake them up.! You would have thought they would have cared about 9/11 and bothered to look at the evidence but we only have 9 licesed architects and 5 licensed structural engineers from NY.
You guys go there every year and the crowd gets smaller... By all means, go. I'll chip in for bus fare to watch you fall on your collective asses.

What they need is to hear Mr Gage speak. As our web site proves Mr Gage is able to convince more than 99% of the people he speaks to that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition.
That's because 99% already believe that crap in the first place.

So please help him to speak or take an architect or engineer to lunch in New York now!.
translation - send money
 

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