How will making health insurance mandatory help?

[Malerin]

That rates as one of the most ignorant comments I've heard in quite a while.

It's essentially a proposal that unlimited power to an administrative agency is superior to a legislative process, based on a logical fallacy that goes as follows and which is usually only heard in political sound bites:

"XYZ is BAD! Anything is better than XYZ! Let's do (vote) ABC!"

where ABC isn't even defined, since "anything is better".

Because we know absolutely nothing about the health care bill currently in the conference committee

 

[Thunder]

Because we know absolutely nothing about the health care bill currently in the conference committee

Tonto say "what you mean 'we'..white man?"

 

[mortimer]

Healthcare insurance = access to healthcare.

Do those who do not have healthcare insurance not have access to healthcare? What a ludicrous position.

 

[Thunder]

Do those who do not have healthcare insurance not have access to healthcare? What a ludicrous position.

who do you know can afford to pay for a liver transplant out of pocket?

 

[mortimer]

who do you know can afford to pay for a liver transplant out of pocket?

Who do you know that needs a liver transplant, but has been denied one because of lack of insurance?

 

[Thunder]

Who do you know that needs a liver transplant, but has been denied one because of lack of insurance?

oh, they won't be denied the operation. they will simply be put into MAJOR debt because of it. or the American people will pay the bill.

but I guess that doesn't bother Republicans.

 

[mortimer]

oh, they won't be denied the operation. they will simply be put into MAJOR debt because of it. or the American people will pay the bill.

So you agree that healthcare insurance does not = access to healthcare.

 

[WildCat]

Who do you know that needs a liver transplant, but has been denied one because of lack of insurance?

You don't get a transplant if you don't have insurance. For example:

Who is eligible for a transplant?

You are ineligible for a transplant only after you have phoned or visited a transplant center and been told you cannot get one. Many patients assume they are too old for transplant but if you are otherwise healthy, age is not a factor in determining your transplant eligibility. However, there are some other factors that prevent patients from getting a kidney transplant:

• Current life expectancy of less than 5 years

• Recent cancer (other than most skin cancers)

• Uncorrectable heart disease

• Untreatable psychiatric illness

• Non-adherence to treatment (eg. Patient doesn’t take medications as advised)

• Active substance abuse (alcohol or drugs)

• Lack of health insurance or Medicare/Medicaid coverage

You and your doctor will discuss your eligibility during the transplant Evaluation Process.

http://www.barnesjewish.org/physicians/physiciancontent.aspx?id=4757&sid=8&group=2#2

And no, you don't have the right to health care. All a hospital is required to do is stabilize your condition. They are not required to attempt to cure you.

 

[Francesca R]

[ . . . ] It's essentially a proposal that unlimited power to an administrative agency is superior to a legislative process, based on a logical fallacy that goes as follows and which is usually only heard in political sound bites:

"XYZ is BAD! Anything is better than XYZ! Let's do (vote) ABC!"

where ABC isn't even defined, since "anything is better".

That rates as one of the most ignorant comments I've heard in quite a while. I was under the impression that you were in the USA, so it is surprising.

To dispel any ignnorance you may have of "ABC" (or "HR 3962 Affordable Health Care for America Act", and "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act") please see these documents posted by your government's legislatures.

 

[Thunder]

So you agree that healthcare insurance does not = access to healthcare.

Republicans are silly.

 

[Alt+F4]

You don't get a transplant if you don't have insurance.

Unless you are in prison.

 

[mhaze]

That rates as one of the most ignorant comments I've heard in quite a while. I was under the impression that you were in the USA, so it is surprising.

To dispel any ignnorance you may have of "ABC" (or "HR 3962 Affordable Health Care for America Act", and "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act") please see these documents posted by your government's legislatures.

Thanks for confirming that I was right.

You've referenced a document that concerns one of two bills. The House and Senate bills are now being smashed together in some fashion in committee. Therefore, you don't know what is in them and any representation that you have knowledge of the final product is a complete fantasy.

Not surprising that you would not understand this, your not being in the US.

Cheers.

 

[Dragoonster]

Who do you know that needs a liver transplant, but has been denied one because of lack of insurance?

In addition to what Wildcat wrote--How is the guy even supposed to know he needs a new liver? Self-diagnosis?

 

[Francesca R]

You've referenced a document that concerns one of two bills.

Incorrect, look again.

I was right.

Incorrect, again.

Cheers.

 

[mortimer]

In addition to what Wildcat wrote--How is the guy even supposed to know he needs a new liver? Self-diagnosis?

He goes to a doctor, of course.

 

[WildCat]

He goes to a doctor, of course.

Do you acknowledge that without health insurance you will not be getting an organ transplant?

 

[Dragoonster]

You go see a doctor, of course.

Oh, your version of the guy is wealthy enough to pay out of pocket so he can actually retain a PCP, but just doesn't want health insurance for some reason. Well sure, they can still get some work done. Yay, wealthy people (who don't care that they're paying more than they need to) don't really need this reform.

 

[mortimer]

Do you acknowledge that without health insurance you will not be getting an organ transplant?

Most likely. ETA: I'm sure if you are able to pay out of pocket, you would be able to get your transplant without insurance, but this would be a rare case, even more rare than needing a transplant in the first place.

Does this make health insurance a "necessity", like food?

 

[mortimer]

Oh, your version of the guy is wealthy enough to pay out of pocket so he can actually retain a PCP, but just doesn't want health insurance for some reason. Well sure, they can still get some work done. Yay, wealthy people (who don't care that they're paying more than they need to) don't really need this reform.

The original point which I was responding to is that one cannot get access to healthcare without insurance, which makes having insurance a necessity.

 

[Dragoonster]

The original point which I was responding to is that one cannot get access to healthcare without insurance, which makes having insurance a necessity.

It is a necessity for millions of Americans with budgets too tight or other circumstances to afford to retain family doctors if they appear healthy, or to afford the cost of the current insurance costs. The guy with the bad liver may miss several signs of it going bad that his physician may have if he'd had health insurance. Or he may put off getting it checked until it gets far worse even if he suspects something--thus the early diagnosis (dependant on access to an affordable, regular PCP) won't happen. Thus his health care, if that's defined as caring for one's health, requires insurance.

You need either insurance or money to get preventative care, and to get care from a single doctor who'll know all your ailments. A lot of people don't have the money and can't get or afford the insurance either, or are inbetween jobs, etc. Or don't think it's justified at the time, which causes health problems down the road.

If health care is a necessity, than so is health insurance for many people.