• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Invitation to Derek Johnson to discuss his ideas

That fear causes normal people to make bad decisions, and to follow emotion over fact.
Click to expand...
The ironic thing is that these same "truth" proponents accuse "The Bush Regime" or whatever of using emotion and fear (of terrorism) to accomplish their nefarious goals. Patriot Act, Gitmo, Iraq, etc. Paranoiacs all seem to lack the irony gene.

In terms of emotion over fact, it's one of the 4 axes in the Myers-Briggs personality type device - thinking vs. feeling. It's good to understand this if you are a thinker, because not everyone is. Mrs. carlito, for instance.

ETA - this is it.
Decisions: When making decisions, do you prefer to first look at logic and consistency or first look at the people and special circumstances? This is called Thinking (T) or Feeling (F).

Thinking (T)
When I make a decision, I like to find the basic truth or principle to be applied, regardless of the specific situation involved. I like to analyze pros and cons, and then be consistent and logical in deciding. I try to be impersonal, so I won’t let my personal wishes--or other people’s wishes--influence me.

Feeling (F)
I believe I can make the best decisions by weighing what people care about and the points-of-view of persons involved in a situation. I am concerned with values and what is the best for the people involved. I like to do whatever will establish or maintain harmony. In my relationships, I appear caring, warm, and tactful.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
carlitos said:
The ironic thing is that these same "truth" proponents accuse "The Bush Regime" or whatever of using emotion and fear (of terrorism) to accomplish their nefarious goals. Patriot Act, Gitmo, Iraq, etc. Paranoiacs all seem to lack the irony gene.

In terms of emotion over fact, it's one of the 4 axes in the Myers-Briggs personality type device - thinking vs. feeling. It's good to understand this if you are a thinker, because not everyone is. Mrs. carlito, for instance.

ETA - this is it.
Click to expand...

The problem is the Meyers Briggs wasn't developed by psychologists and has some massive issues with validity and test retest reliability... but the basic idea is pretty true.... I just wouldn't depend on it for anything other than ***** and giggles. :)
 
tfk:
I would have liked to find out what his fascination is with the reports of "molten metal". I'm a certified welder and have extensive experience in wrought iron work (railings and do-dads). I can't for the life of me figure out how "molten metal" could tie into controlled demolition.

Maybe you could get him to delve into this subject?
 
Last edited:
TruthersLie said:
The problem is the Meyers Briggs wasn't developed by psychologists and has some massive issues with validity and test retest reliability... but the basic idea is pretty true.... I just wouldn't depend on it for anything other than ***** and giggles. :)
Click to expand...
I think it's useful as a 'team building' thing for work, as it reminds extroverts to shut up once in a while and introverts to speak up once in a while. That sort of thing. I had to do it 3 or 4 times, and once, after a stressful move overseas, I was a 'feeler' and not a 'thinker.'

Anyway, too bad the engineer won't be posting for "lack of time." It could have been interesting. I watched some of his video, and a lot of what he was saying wasn't about engineering. That's always a red flag for me.
 
I'm glad you sent that invitation to everyone at AE911T. I hope something comes out of it.

Keep us updated on that!
 
tfk said:
Well, as disappointing as this is, I guess it was to be expected.

Derek has withdrawn from offering any sort of argument, and simply sent me this nonsense.



I can not believe that Derek is proud of these childish antics...


Tom
Click to expand...
As you say, expected and not surprising. His note you quoted in post 14 makes it clear he, despite his education, is no different then your garden variety 9/11 CTist.

ETA - I just noticed I used the same term after reading his comments. I didn't mean the above to be a haughty "I told you so".
 
Last edited:
DavidJames said:
As you say, expected and not surprising. His note you quoted in post 14 makes it clear he, despite his education, is no different then your garden variety 9/11 CTist.

ETA - I just noticed I used the same term after reading his comments. I didn't mean the above to be a haughty "I told you so".
Click to expand...

Ahhhhh, no problem. Everyone deserves to indulge in a good "haught" every once in awhile.

I also note that I haven't heard one word from AE911T regarding my offer.

I did get an email "thanking me for (my) support", tho.

I can understand auto-responses as much as the next guy.

I also appreciate dripping irony...

Tom
 
tfk said:
Well, as disappointing as this is, I guess it was to be expected.

Derek has withdrawn from offering any sort of argument, and simply sent me this nonsense.



I can not believe that Derek is proud of these childish antics...


Tom
Click to expand...

That's his response?

That is just pathetic....he obviously has the time to make moronic youtube videos and call radio shows, yet he doesn't have the time to get into the technical details or an engineering discussion?

Wow.....epic fail.
 
newton3376 said:
That's his response?

That is just pathetic....he obviously has the time to make moronic youtube videos and call radio shows, yet he doesn't have the time to get into the technical details or an engineering discussion?

Wow.....epic fail.
Click to expand...

like I said earlier in this thread

If his arguments can stand debate. he will post. if not. he will avoid posting and can be ignored.
Click to expand...

I think we all knew his arguments would be nothing more than your standard twoofer talking points. Another utter dolt using nothing more than an argument from authority to back up, basically, nothing. 911 conspiracy is not supportable by physics, math, evidence, and scene forensics. Derek Johnson has lost before he never started. Which makes this thread. Pointless.
 
newton3376 said:
That's his response?

That is just pathetic....he obviously has the time to make moronic youtube videos and call radio shows, yet he doesn't have the time to get into the technical details or an engineering discussion?
Click to expand...
It's not a matter of him not having time for engineering discussions, in terms of evidence against the "OCT", it's a matter of him not having any engineering arrows in his quiver.
 
DavidJames said:
It's not a matter of him not having time for engineering discussions, in terms of evidence against the "OCT", it's a matter of him not having any engineering arrows in his quiver.
Click to expand...

I wonder if one of those "two jobs" he had was making videos.

For an engineer he sure lacks figures.
 
tfk said:
Ahhhhh, no problem. Everyone deserves to indulge in a good "haught" every once in awhile.

I also note that I haven't heard one word from AE911T regarding my offer.

I did get an email "thanking me for (my) support", tho.

I can understand auto-responses as much as the next guy.

I also appreciate dripping irony...

Tom
Click to expand...

I think you will find that the people at www.ae911truth.org including Derek will not waste time arguing with the organ grinder's monkeys when they have the organ grinder itself in the form of NIST right in the crosshairs. They have nothing at all to gain by engaging you guys . They have everything to gain by engaging NIST. And as we all know NIST is being slowly but surely cornered. There will be no escape.
 
bill smith said:
I think you will find that the people at www.ae911truth.org including Derek will not waste time arguing with the organ grinder's monkeys when they have the organ grinder itself in the form of NIST right in the crosshairs. They have nothing at all to gain by engaging you guys . They have everything to gain by engaging NIST. And as we all know NIST is being slowly but surely cornered. There will be no escape.
Click to expand...

Engaging NIST, you say? Where exactly is it that this happens? In courts of law? But there has never been a court case involving Truth data of Truther expert witnesses, despite the bazillions of them that you say there are. There has never been a Truther demonstration that involved all these bazillions of experts. Where were they last 911 demonstration? So how exactly is it that Derek Johnson and his legion of Truth experts are engaging NIST? Is it in lending their names to Truther plees for money from the vast, vast numbers of silent Truthers? Is it in struggling to get released from jail all those Truthers who are being persectuted by a government that is so clearly capable of mass murder? What a brave soul he is standing up and making his name public against this evil foe.

So where exactly is it that Engineer Derek is locked in enagement with NIST - or anyone else for that matter?

Isn't this more like the kind of the engagement we're all used to when the girlfriend is out of town?
 
Last edited:
tfk said:
Well, as disappointing as this is, I guess it was to be expected.

Derek has withdrawn from offering any sort of argument, and simply sent me this nonsense.



I can not believe that Derek is proud of these childish antics...


Tom
Click to expand...
He's a truther, what did you expect? Argument via youtube is generally as good as it gets.
 
scott.in.taiwan said:
Engaging NIST, you say? Where exactly is it that this happens? In courts of law? But there has never been a court case involving Truth data of Truther expert witnesses, despite the bazillions of them that you say there are. There has never been a Truther demonstration that involved all these bazillions of experts. Where were they last 911 demonstration? So how exactly is it that Derek Johnson and his legion of Truth experts are engaging NIST? Is it in lending their names to Truther plees for money from the vast, vast numbers of silent Truthers? Is it in struggling to get released from jail all those Truthers who are being persectuted by a government that is so clearly capable of mass murder? What a brave soul he is standing up and making his name public against this evil foe.

So where exactly is it that Engineer Derek is locked in enagement with NIST - or anyone else for that matter?

Isn't this more like the kind of the engagement we're all used to when the girlfriend is out of town?
Click to expand...

Who has ever heard of the union of concerned scientists ? Yet it is an organisation of 30,000 degreed scientists with one third of them being Ph.d's. They dispute for instance the fake science that is applied to show that manmade glabal warming is actually of any real significance.

But in the macro sense they are fighting the wider problem of the corruption of science for political ends as is the case with NIST, 9/11 and the American government.

So the Shills and their blonde handmaidens may enjoy a little more time spinning their ludicrous stories. It is all doomed to come to a sticky end, as sure as eggs is eggs and the sooner the better .
 
Last edited:
bill smith said:
Who has ever heard of the union of concerned scientists ? Yet it is an organisation of 30,000 degreed scientists with one third of them being Ph.d's. They dispute for instance the fake science that is applied to show that manmade global warming is actually of any real significance.

But in the macro sense they are fighting the wider problem of the corruption of science for political ends as is the case with NIST, 9/11 and the American government.

So the Shills and their blonde handmaidens may enjoy a little more time spinning their ludicrous stories. It is all doomed to come to a sticky end, as sure as eggs is eggs and the sooner the better .
Click to expand...

Bill, Bill, Bill, how great to hear a Truther - if that's what you are - throw their opinion in here. Yes, that's right, an army of Truther scholars that have no impact on the world. They appear nowhere. No one outside the Internet knows their name. I wouldn't even be surprised if you even the 911 Truth internet army forgets all about this when they shut off their laptop.

Bill, Bill, Bill, you just make me laugh. That's right, 911 Truth is the issue that's ripping America apart. That's why so many famous and well-respected wife beaters and senile old actors support it in public. But as for famous and well-known engineers, building designers and thermite experts...Oh, once again I forgot about those leading experts Dicky G. and our own Tony Z.

But let's not take this too seriously. I recommend you get a some sort of romantic outlet. That might distract you from the impending revolution where Truthers and their followers rise up and overthrow the New World Order or something like that.

Enough of that. I'm bored....
 
Last edited:
bill smith said:
I think you will find that the people at www.ae911truth.org including Derek will not waste time arguing with the organ grinder's monkeys when they have the organ grinder itself in the form of NIST right in the crosshairs. They have nothing at all to gain by engaging you guys . They have everything to gain by engaging NIST. And as we all know NIST is being slowly but surely cornered. There will be no escape.
Click to expand...

I'm sure the engineers at NIST would give you a collective "WTF are you talking about?" if you told them that they are being "slowly but surely cornered"....

Must be nice to live in a fantasy land....
 
newton3376 said:
I'm sure the engineers at NIST would give you a collective "WTF are you talking about?" if you told them that they are being "slowly but surely cornered"....

Must be nice to live in a fantasy land....
Click to expand...
"De Plane! De Plane!"
(oops--there wasn't really a plane, now, was there?)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom