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Christopher Dufresne

I think the statement that Sylvia believes what she does is real is a reasonable one. If she knew she was a fake then she would learn cold reading. But others have noted she does not do that. As for the trance, well if she has never been in a real one how would she know what a real one was like? So it is all real to her.

As to why she keeps on failing, what failures? I know you lot can point to stopsylvia.com site. However that is to depressing to read. So it does not exist in her world. Since she is not a failure she must be succeeding.

Do you agree my logic is reasonable? There is no way known to get to her. You can only make her lose her followers, including the ones that have come over to the dark side (this side).
 
Francine:

Do you think her new husband believes she's psychic then?

Do you think she had Larry convinced? I'd been thinking in recent years that Larry must have been in on the whole thing, knowing it was all a scam. But if she's living in a make-believe world all her own, then that might not necessarily have been the case.

Also, I don't understand why she would just make up stories for her books. If she really believes she's psychic, then why make stuff up? Is it for the attention? Is it a narcissism thing?

The thing about the trances was that Sylvia Browne claimed to be totally unconscious throughout the whole process. She claimed that when she "came back into her body" she couldn't remember anything Francine or Raheim said. So in order for her to be consciously faking trances, she had to deliberately and knowingly lie about that, too.
 
Francine, I don't think Sylvia really believes any of them to be psychic, but I think it is possible that she wants to be so bad that sometimes she sort of brainwashes herself and her son into believing it. At other times I think she can't keep up the positive outlook and drops it and thus comes the rudeness and carelessness she shows now in front of audiences.

I think she regrets having told her first husband Gary that "screw 'em, if they believe this stuff they deserve to be taken."

But as Ex-M has asked, how about her later husbands? I forget the new one's name, but could you also tell us a little about him? Not invasive details, but like how she met him and if you think they will stay together and what he believes about her.

BTW, interesting that you said a "Douglas" is my guide. I'm only in my 40's but am a silent film freak and LOVE Douglas Fairbanks. That made my day, thanks! I know it couldn't be him, but a gal can dream, right? :blush:
 
Ravynn123 said:
Francine,

I have a question for you about Sylvia's behavior change over the years. Is it possible that she is have some mental issue? For example as my own mother is getting older she is becoming more brass and confrontational. But in my mom's case it has been stress related. I wonder if Sylvia's issues are from medical problems she is having or if she is starting down the road of getting dementia?

Anyway I just thought I would ask. Oh one other thing could you please ask what ever spirit guard I have to stop chasing my cat around the house and stop having conversations with my 3 month old granddaughter when i am trying to get her to sleep.

Thank you
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Ravynn, your guide's name is Jackie. She's not the one keeping your granddaughter awake, it's a slightly overweight woman on The Other Side. I think her name is Elaine, Ellen, or Evelyn...it sounds like one of these names but your guide is so far away from me, I can't make out what she's saying without a megaphone.

To answer your other questions. I'm not a doctor, although I did dabble in healing and herbs back in my day. What you are describing is possible. I have been concerned about this myself.

rjh01 said:
I think the statement that Sylvia believes what she does is real is a reasonable one. If she knew she was a fake then she would learn cold reading. But others have noted she does not do that. As for the trance, well if she has never been in a real one how would she know what a real one was like? So it is all real to her.

As to why she keeps on failing, what failures? I know you lot can point to stopsylvia.com site. However that is to depressing to read. So it does not exist in her world. Since she is not a failure she must be succeeding.

Do you agree my logic is reasonable? There is no way known to get to her. You can only make her lose her followers, including the ones that have come over to the dark side (this side).
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Your logic is reasonable. In her world, she believes she will always be on top, that she is impervious to rules and taking blame for her own actions. She thinks everyone else is stupid.

Websites like RSL's have helped but she will always have die hard followers because they can't all get to see her live and talk to her in person. But the ones that do are slowly seeing what she is really like- along with reading the truth about her on the internet.

She is already ruining things for herself by being so cold and uncaring.

Has anyone, like RSL, considered contacting a whole bunch of people that she has harmed in her readings and filing a class action suit for damages (monetary, time that has been put into investigating her claims for missing persons, bad health advice) and emotional distress?

rj-you said there is no way known to get to her. The way to get to her is financially. If you can do that, then be assured that she is hating life and getting what she deserves by what those financial problems will bring for her.

ExMinister said:
Francine:

Do you think her new husband believes she's psychic then?

Do you think she had Larry convinced? I'd been thinking in recent years that Larry must have been in on the whole thing, knowing it was all a scam. But if she's living in a make-believe world all her own, then that might not necessarily have been the case.

Also, I don't understand why she would just make up stories for her books. If she really believes she's psychic, then why make stuff up? Is it for the attention? Is it a narcissism thing?

The thing about the trances was that Sylvia Browne claimed to be totally unconscious throughout the whole process. She claimed that when she "came back into her body" she couldn't remember anything Francine or Raheim said. So in order for her to be consciously faking trances, she had to deliberately and knowingly lie about that, too.
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You bring up good points. I agree that it's hard to imagine, since you seem to be a sane, logical person.

Give me some time on this and I will get back to it.

Both Larry Beck and Dal Brown believed in her, as do the other people that are close to her. They loved her very much and believed that her message really helps people. The problem is, she lies so much and creates so many problems with her erratic behavior that people eventually cannot deal with it anymore. They make excuses for her for so long (because they want to believe that she is just having a bad day or she's stressed or she's tired-on and on). Eventually they wake up and realize that she's just a miserable human being.

Give me some time on the new husband and I'll let you know later my take on him. It possibly deserves a thread all on its own.

Minarvia said:
Francine, I don't think Sylvia really believes any of them to be psychic, but I think it is possible that she wants to be so bad that sometimes she sort of brainwashes herself and her son into believing it. At other times I think she can't keep up the positive outlook and drops it and thus comes the rudeness and carelessness she shows now in front of audiences.

I think she regrets having told her first husband Gary that "screw 'em, if they believe this stuff they deserve to be taken."

But as Ex-M has asked, how about her later husbands? I forget the new one's name, but could you also tell us a little about him? Not invasive details, but like how she met him and if you think they will stay together and what he believes about her.

BTW, interesting that you said a "Douglas" is my guide. I'm only in my 40's but am a silent film freak and LOVE Douglas Fairbanks. That made my day, thanks! I know it couldn't be him, but a gal can dream, right? :blush:
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Your guide is not Douglas Fairbanks although there is a slight resemblance. You may be drawn to Douglas Fairbanks because your guide was trying to give you a clue about his name. Just like your totem, the leopard. Totems and guides will leave signs and show up again and again in this world to give you messages.

Ha! You thought I was going to say your totem was a chihuahua.

As with ExM, let me digest your other questions and I will reply later.
 
Thank you Francine,

You will be happy to know that my spirit guide Jackie kicked the fat lady out of the house and told her never to return to bother the baby again.

Ahh nothing says peace like a sleeping baby.
 
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Francine:

I appreciate you taking the time to give it all some thought. We have thrown a lot of questions at you. It will be interesting to hear about the new husband.

How sad for Larry Beck and Dal Brown. I have been baffled by Michael and some of the others in the office who really seem to believe in her. I could only assume they had to know it was all a con. Don't they hear her lying? But from what you say that isn't the case. They believe in her in spite of the lies and the mess she seems to be, if I understand this right, and they believe in the message. That fits so well. I wonder if that is even true of Montel. I had thought he was just in it for the money, but maybe she has him believing, too.

I've got one more question, while I'm thinking about it:

I had heard awhile back that business had slowed down considerably and it was attributed to Robert Lancaster's web site. In fact I'd heard there was some worry the office might have to close if things kept on the way they were. I was just wondering if any of that is still true.

Thanks for taking the time to comment on these things, and happy guiding!

ExM
 
RSLancastr said:
Brattus, if you are referring to the thread I think you are, you are mischaraterizing it. In that thread, you said that 100% of the blame was on the believers. that Browne could not be blamed if people were foolish enough to believe in her "abilities." And several of us firmly disagreed with you. I was not saying that Browne should get 100% of the blame, but that she was by no means blameless, which was what you seemed to be saying. I think that the believers, when they realize they have been duped, need to own up to their portion of the blame. But that is THEIR job, not ours.
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I never said anything at all about 100% of anything or anyone.

If it is not our job to help them see how foolish they have been so they don't make the same mistake twice then what the hell are you doing creating stopsylvia.com in the first place?

There is so much more I would like to add but since I like this forum and want to remain here as an active voice then I can not say it.

I do respect your power on this forum Mr. Lancaster but please don't put text in any of my post that was never there.
 
Ravynn123 said:
Thank you Francine,

You will be happy to know that my spirit guide Jackie kicked the fat lady out of the house and told her never to return to bother the baby again.

Ahh nothing says peace like a sleeping baby.
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What about the poor cat?
 
On second thought, business has to have slowed since Sylvia Browne has been off the Montel show. She lost all that free advertising every week.

I'd be curious to know if Chris generates about the same amount of clientele for readings as Sylvia does these days. It seems to me like they are going out of their way to promote him.

Also, I'd heard the 8-year waiting list, or even a 2-year waiting list, has been non-existent for a few years now but they continue to tell people it's there. Maybe that's part of the ruse to try to get people to go with readings with Chris.
 
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ExMinister said:
On second thought, business has to have slowed since Sylvia Browne has been off the Montel show. She lost all that free advertising every week.

I'd be curious to know if Chris generates about the same amount of clientele for readings as Sylvia does these days. It seems to me like they are going out of their way to promote him.

Also, I'd heard the 8-year waiting list, or even a 2-year waiting list, has been non-existent for a few years now but they continue to tell people it's there. Maybe that's part of the ruse to try to get people to go with readings with Chris.
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It has slowed down. The length of Sylvia's waiting list changes because:

1. She hates to do readings- she does them to cover bills and for extra money

2. She's trying to create a career and good reputation for Christopher-they use sort of a bait and switch by saying Sylvia is so busy, Christopher's readings are cheaper, he is an amazing psychic, she fully endorses him. They spin that into making it look like Christopher is doing the world a big favor by opening up his schedule and taking from his precious personal time to book more readings.

The lack of exposure from not being on Montel is a factor. Her nasty attitude is a factor. Her flooding the market with books is a factor. Her ridiculous fees, especially in the recession is a factor. Perhaps the skeptics' work is a factor.

Even though it has slowed down, there is still more business there than you care to imagine. But if all of those factors helped decline interest in her, who knows what tomorrow will bring.

Francine
 
Dear ExM and Minarvia,

I think I answered some of your questions about Sylvia's irrational thought on the Accepting the Psychic Torch thread and my opinion on it.

But I will keep the questions about the husband in mind and will let you know my thoughts on that at a later date.

Yours truly,
Francine
 
Francine said:
Dear ExM and Minarvia,

I think I answered some of your questions about Sylvia's irrational thought on the Accepting the Psychic Torch thread and my opinion on it.

But I will keep the questions about the husband in mind and will let you know my thoughts on that at a later date.

Yours truly,
Francine
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Thanks and I'll go to that thread!
 
Francine said:
Dear Nancy,

It's nice to see you again after all these years.
Thank you for the kind response.

Sylvia has a way of creating her own reality, and then when that becomes inconvenient, she simply changes the rules. This is quite typical of her behavior and I am ashamed to admit that I am her guide. We had some good times, she and I, but there's only so much that one Aztec/Incan woman can handle.

Take for instance all the times she said that each person has one spirit guide. She increasingly became more accessible to people and a number of the same people go on her trips abroad, to book signings, and to see her lecture. They have the opportunity to ask her questions on multiple occasions. She cannot possibly keep everything that she has said to people straight over the years and even when I try to tell her, SHE JUST WON'T LISTEN!

Well, so many people asked her what their guide's name was, and then when she came up with a different name, they asked why it's different than the time she told them before. Poof! She changed the rules and had the nerve to tell everyone that I SAID that some people have more than one guide. I never said that! But she uses me as the scape goat time and again, saying that I have come forth with new information. You know, I really don't appreciate this one bit. I don't withhold information, thank you very much.

To top it off, she told all of her staff to tell clients that they can only have one psychic reading per lifetime with her. They are forced to say that it's because her waiting list is so long, that she wants to be fair to everyone and give them a chance for one reading. Wrong! The real reason is because she can't remember what she's told people and inevitably, the repeat clients that she had would ask her some of the same things from their first reading. Again, she changed the rules. :mad::mad::mad:

OMG!!

Sorry, I just get so worked up sometimes.

Until my next post.

Francine
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Hello Francine,

Ex-Minister is correct - I haven't posted here for many months. Although we are both Ex ministers, that "name" was already taken when I joined the forum...And there are several more "ex-ministers" also members here I've discovered.
I recently came in and started reading some threads again. Speaking for myself, you've definitely been a source of amusement and I can certainly relate as I have my own personal experiences with Sylvia and her "staff".... however, being her spirit guide, you know things I couldn't possibly know :)

Boy, I sure don't envy your assignment - and there has to be a very special place in heaven for you once this job is finished... :D and what the heck were you THINKING for ever agreeing to it in the first place? You had to know what you'd be in for. (oops, maybe not since you're a guide, not a psychic) No matter what you did in a "previous life", it just shouldn't have been bad enough to get stuck with this assignment!

I can say now that I'm grateful for my experiences with Sylvia and her crew...because even though there was a lot of ugliness, much good came from it for me as well. I've met a lot of terrific people and many lasting friendships were formed in the process.... so good really can come from evil.

Keep sharing Francine....I'm thoroughly enjoying your communications here and look forward to hearing more things that only Sylvia's guide could know ;)

Nancy
 
I've enjoyed your postings here, too, Francine, and hope you keep it up.

You may know that there is a commercial on TV (I forget what it is for) with 2 Jewish slaves laboring away and one says to the other something like "we are getting all our hard times out of the way now so soon it will be smooth sailing for our people."

Was that what you were thinking when you became Sylvia's guide? :D
 
SeekingTruth said:
Actually, I think she had a temporary lapse and wasn't thinking at all! :D
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Ha! Now I think I remember in one of her books she said that Francine liked to party. She didn't mention what sort of parties or what they drink at them...:D
 
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