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Split Thread 'Nose-out' footage

bardamu said:
The maths couldn't be simpler. Look at Figure 7.9 in NCSTAR 2-1B and locate the red diamond that marks the column that was hit by the tip of the left wing. Counting the columns inwards towards the fuselage, you'll see that columns 4, 5, 7 and 8 were broken individually. What could have hit these columns to break them cleanly like that?

If R Mackey and R Wieck can state confidently that the plane had to slice through the building, they must know the answer to this question.
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Let me spell out what you need to do to make a point (obviously you have no idea how to go about this).

To prove the model wrong you need to show that adjusting the size of the "slug" (to your dimensions) it no longer has sufficient energy to cause the columns it does hit to fail. After that (and only after that) you can work on the much more complicated calculations to prove that the wing could not do what it did.

Good luck! I will not bother you again until I see numbers (with math attached)

Happy Holidays
 
bardamu said:
The maths couldn't be simpler. Look at Figure 7.9 in NCSTAR 2-1B and locate the red diamond that marks the column that was hit by the tip of the left wing. Counting the columns inwards towards the fuselage, you'll see that columns 4, 5, 7 and 8 were broken individually. What could have hit these columns to break them cleanly like that?
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The boeing 767s wing fixed leading edges supplied by boeing military aircraft.

http://www.janes.com/aerospace/civil/news/jawa/boeing_767.shtml
 
DGM said:
Let me spell out what you need to do to make a point (obviously you have no idea how to go about this).

To prove the model wrong you need to show that adjusting the size of the "slug" (to your dimensions) it no longer has sufficient energy to cause the columns it does hit to fail. After that (and only after that) you can work on the much more complicated calculations to prove that the wing could not do what it did.

Good luck! I will not bother you again until I see numbers (with math attached)
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You must have missed my earlier posts. According to chapter 5 of NCSTAR 1-2B, several columns were hit by a piece of wing and an empty fuel tank. In these cases we need to adjust the dimensions of the 'slug of fuel' to: zero length, zero width and zero height. After substituting and solving the relevant equations, we find that our calculations give us: zero volume, zero mass, zero momentum, zero pressure and zero impulse.

If you want to include the structure of the aircraft itself, that's fine, but you need to provide a new model and the maths that go with it.
 
bardamu said:
You must have missed my earlier posts. According to chapter 5 of NCSTAR 1-2B, several columns were hit by a piece of wing and an empty fuel tank. In these cases we need to adjust the dimensions of the 'slug of fuel' to: zero length, zero width and zero height. After substituting and solving the relevant equations, we find that our calculations give us: zero volume, zero mass, zero momentum, zero pressure and zero impulse.

If you want to include the structure of the aircraft itself, that's fine, but you need to provide a new model and the maths that go with it.
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Or - you could watch the brick pass through the window and conclude that the brick broke the window.
 
bardamu said:
You must have missed my earlier posts. According to chapter 5 of NCSTAR 1-2B, several columns were hit by a piece of wing and an empty fuel tank. In these cases we need to adjust the dimensions of the 'slug of fuel' to: zero length, zero width and zero height. After substituting and solving the relevant equations, we find that our calculations give us: zero volume, zero mass, zero momentum, zero pressure and zero impulse.

If you want to include the structure of the aircraft itself, that's fine, but you need to provide a new model and the maths that go with it.
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Please actually read what I said before posting.

Again everyone sees you fail.

Try again
 
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bardamu said:
Bill, there's a much simpler explanation. The terrorists sneaked 12 anvils onto each plane and attached them to the parts of the wings where they knew the fuel tanks would be empty after a leisurely cruise around the NORAD-free airspace.
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Did you see the post I wrote about ' Tripod 2 ' ? Can you think of a better reason than the one I laid out for their presence on 9/11 ? If not then the real plane scenario and the tampered column scenario hads to be considered ? Or not ?
 
bardamu;
Just in case your visually impaired (This I suspect because you seem to never read what people post to you).

To prove the model wrong you need to show that adjusting the size of the "slug" (to your dimensions) it no longer has sufficient energy to cause the columns it does hit to fail. After that (and only after that) you can work on the much more complicated calculations to prove that the wing could not do what it did.

With math please.
 
bardamu said:
If you want to include the structure of the aircraft itself, that's fine, but you need to provide a new model and the maths that go with it.
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Why are you the only one apparently who isn't required to show math?
 
Just took a look at one of my floors:

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Hmmm...maybe the no-planers are onto something. Those columns sure look they'll hold off a 767 at 450+ MPH. Probably would just bounce right off.
 
Looks like a CGI Nigerian with CGI weapons from virtual Yemen tried to blow up a CGI plane on CGI Christmas. Super.
 
And notice he did not succeed??? FAIL.

Just goes to show you that you can't **** with the US anymore. We fight back now mothereffers!!
 
bardamu said:
You must have missed my earlier posts. According to chapter 5 of NCSTAR 1-2B, several columns were hit by a piece of wing and an empty fuel tank. In these cases we need to adjust the dimensions of the 'slug of fuel' to: zero length, zero width and zero height. After substituting and solving the relevant equations, we find that our calculations give us: zero volume, zero mass, zero momentum, zero pressure and zero impulse.

If you want to include the structure of the aircraft itself, that's fine, but you need to provide a new model and the maths that go with it.
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What would be the point,you wouldn't understand the math and no amount of reality will shake you out of your delusion.
 
waypastvne said:
One piece of debris. Two pieces of skin still connected by a section of former.

[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/3.jpg[/qimg]

The red outline shows this debris in it's original location.

[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/6.jpg[/qimg]

You can see the lower right hand corner of the 2 in this photo, right where it's suppose to be.

[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/2.jpg[/qimg]
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Not that any of this matters, I was just curious. Why does what looks like should be the "6" there in the bottom picture, intersect with the window hole?
 
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