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Continuation - The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

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ALLENMUSKY is the guy who told me this information about Patricia Patterson and Tom Biscardi.Also gave me Bob H's phone number.I hope he is right about it.
 
I looked at the way you write.I looked at ALLENMUSKY.You write like him.Did he teach you how to write?
 
William Parcher said:
YOU are ALLENMUSKY or should I call you Mr. Nospace?
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Good catch. :)

lucaschorak said:
ALLENMUSKY is the guy who told me this information about Patricia Patterson and Tom Biscardi.Also gave me Bob H's phone number.I hope he is right about it.
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You hope he/you is right about what? Bob H's phone number? That Roger Patterson told Tom Biscardi that the PGF was a hoax? Unprovable. That Patricia Patterson promised to tell Tom Biscardi that it was a hoax? Unprovable. That Bob Gimlin drives off in the other direction whenever he sees Bob H. coming? Darn near unprovable.

Exactly what are you looking to confirm here?
 
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I hope he is right that Patricia Patterson will confess its a hoax.He told me she has hired an attorney and will explain why and how it is a hoax at the time of her death.
 
lucaschorak said:
I hope he is right that Patricia Patterson will confess its a hoax.He told me...
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So, you are ALLENMUSKY.

...she has hired an attorney and will explain why and how it is a hoax at the time of her death.
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It makes no sense that anyone would plan a secret deathbed confession, and it is even more nonsensical that, having done so, they would share their plan with someone they know will immediately turn around and blab it publicly.
 
No Im not ALLENMUSKY.ALLENMUSKY told me Patricia Patterson has hired an attorney for the time of her death.I'm kinda of confused now.
 
lucaschorak said:
No Im not ALLENMUSKY.ALLENMUSKY told me Patricia Patterson has hired an attorney for the time of her death.I'm kinda of confused now.
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Well, maybe you'd find it less confusing if you stopped accepting hearsay evidence as fact. Just sayin'.

That a certain element of your punctuation is identical to ALLENMUSKY'S gives the game away.Just sayin'.
 
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lucaschorak said:
Here is the link that shows when Biscardi met Patricia Patterson. http://www.searchingforbigfoot.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=browse&id=June-July_2008&revision=38
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In case you missed it, William Parcher has already provided a link to the page concerning Biscardi's visit with Patricia Patterson in July of 2008.

That Biscardi visited Mrs. Patterson is not being disputed.

However, there are some discrepancies between what you claim "ALLENMUSKY" told you that Tom Biscardi revealed to him, and what Biscardi posted on SearchingForBigfoot.com about his visits with Bob H., Bob Gimlin, and Patricia Patterson.

For example, you claimed that "ALLENMUSKY" told you that:

lucaschorak said:
...Tom Biscardi once offered Bob Gimlin to go somewhere with Bob H.Gimlin said he would meet Tom Biscardi and Bob H once he went to his house.When Bob H and Tom Biscardi went to Gimlin's home they saw Gimlin driving down the road running away from them.
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However, Biscardi says here:

SearchingForBigfoot.com said:
We headed back towards Bob Heironimus' street to meet with Bob Gimlin. Bob Gimlin, as it turned out, lives only nine houses down the street from Bob Heironimus and only a few blocks from the Patterson home. We had called the Gimlin home the day earlier to let them know we were coming. We were told that Bob was out on the coast dealing with some horses and he should be there today, so we were anxious to meet with him. Unfortunately, he was still not home when we got there. Tom left him his business card and we stopped back in with Bob Heironimus to say our good byes.
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You claimed here that "ALLENMUSKY" told you...

lucaschorak said:
William Parcher one thing I want you to know is that Tom Biscardi visited Patricia Patterson who is Roger's widow 8 months ago.And according to Biscardi she said she would make a confession that it was a hoax.
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lucaschorak said:
I hope he is right that Patricia Patterson will confess its a hoax.He told me she has hired an attorney and will explain why and how it is a hoax at the time of her death.
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Yet, the only reference that Biscardi made on SearchingForBigfoot.com to visiting with Patricia Patterson was this text...

SearchingForBigfoot.com said:
From Bob Heironimus' home, we drove around the block to visit with Pattie Patterson.
After leaving the Patterson home, we headed back towards Bob Heironimus' street to meet with Bob Gimlin. Bob Gimlin, as it turned out, lives only nine houses down the street from Bob Heironimus and only a few blocks from the Patterson home.
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...that William Parcher copy/pasted here on the JREF in September, 2008. However, since Parcher's post, Tom Biscardi has amended that paragraph on SearchingForBigfoot.com, and it no longer contains any reference to visiting Patricia Patterson:

SearchingForBigfoot.com said:
We were thrilled to get to talk to Bob and meet his family. He made us feel very welcome and was a great host! They even baked and served us some home made brownies... (That were "to die for" !!!) Here is Bob and the team in his garage.. notice all the trophies on the wall! We headed back towards Bob Heironimus' street to meet with Bob Gimlin. Bob Gimlin, as it turned out, lives only nine houses down the street from Bob Heironimus and only a few blocks from the Patterson home...
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Tom Biscardi says nothing on SFB about Patricia Patterson announcing that she has secret plans to make a deathbed confession and reveal the PGF to be a hoax. Nor does he say anything about Mrs. Patterson hiring a lawyer.

You also said...

lucaschorak said:
William Parcher one thing I want you to know is that Tom Biscardi visited Patricia Patterson who is Roger's widow 8 months ago [May, 2009].
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...yet Biscardi's original reference to visiting Mrs. Patterson said that the visit took place in July of 2008. Do you have some evidence-and William Parcher has already asked you this, to no avail-that Biscardi visited Mrs. Patterson a second time, in May of 2009?

Some friendly advice: It doesn't do your credibility any good to present third party hearsay and anecdotal evidence without doing a little research to check the accuracy of the statements first. Eyewitness statements are notoriously unreliable, so it follows that hearsay statements that have been filtered through two parties or more are almost guaranteed to be inaccurate to some degree. You should keep in mind, before you claim to know something "as a fact", to always check and double check the sources of your information.

In any case, I still strongly doubt that Patricia Patterson is secretly planning a deathbed confession. If she knows that the PGF is a hoax, it is a secret that she has kept for 42 years. Revealing it, even on her deathbed, would make her late husband and even herself look like fraudulent jackasses. It really isn't credible that she would volunteer to have that be her legacy.
 
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lucaschorak said:
No Im not ALLENMUSKY.ALLENMUSKY told me Patricia Patterson has hired an attorney for the time of her death.I'm kinda of confused now.
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Hey lucaschorak... I have this bridge for sale... You interested?

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However ridiculous it sounds, I wish that Bob Gimlin and or Patricia Patterson do decide to come clean in the form of a confession of sorts. Maybe they will realize how many lives have been influenced with this film and claims of it representing a real animal and have a change of heart. How many people have invested themselves into the "bigfoot world" because of it? Although this film being a hoax does not influence whether or not such a creature could exist, many prop this up as some sort of proof of existence. (when it is far from it)

Bob Heironimus may or may not have been in the suit - this is something we will never be able to "prove" due to lack of said suit, and or corroboration from the parties involved. Sure, there were witnesses that back up Heironimus's claims, but there are also witnesses that back up Patterson and Gimlin being the only two men there that day. After 42 years the facts are convoluted by fading memories and disappearing original film rolls, people passing. (to name but a few reasons)

If we are to believe the estimations on distance that have been historically given along with the lens Patterson was thought to have on the camera - the height estimates fall short of Heironimus's size. However, Patterson and Gimlin both fit within that estimated range of height, making it quite possible it was one of those two in the suit. My personal guess is either Patterson or Gimlin being in the suit based on this. Heironimus may have even been in the suit at some point, just as he described. How are we to know if there were more than one take? More than one actor? We dont. All we can do is analyze what is left.

The distances that were estimated could very well be off, and this would of course be reflected in the subject height estimates as well. We do have one way of "checking" by using the foot as a ruler method. This again could be flawed due to the high probability that the trackway was fabricated and not left by the subject seen on film. (which is corroborated by the depth of the tracks in comparison to Pattersons own boot tracks, and the horse tracks left in the same substrate) So, we're left with no real reference with the exception of the stick Dahinden measured.


Was it Heironimus? We'll never know... but I can say with reasonable certainty this film represents a fine hoax played out. Well done Patterson, and Gimlin. Best bigfoot hoax to date. Gimlin is still cashing in on it. (as are many others, such as Bill Munns) It's no coincidence that Munns report is ongoing seemingly endlessly. What happened to releasing a report when its done? ;-)

Oh yeah... its more profitable to leech it out in pieces at a time to continue interest, and speaking engagements. He's no dummy ;-) Neither is Gimlin, who managed to keep his mouth shut all these years. I wonder how it will effect the "bigfoot world" once people refuse to accept this film as their shining trophy to hold up. My guess is... without the PGF being deemed authentic (to them, not to skeptics) there are no more legs to stand on. People will continue to have "sightings" or "encounters" in the woods as long as there is money to be made from it, or satisfaction in fooling the "believers" and getting a good laugh out of it. Unfortunately... there is no cure for gullibility. So, we may as well continue to watch the believers hold their breath for the next big one. (because you know its coming, its been too long already) Its not a matter of if, its a matter of when.

JMHO
 
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River said:
there are also witnesses that back up Patterson and Gimlin being the only two men there that day.
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Nobody claims to have seen them at the sandbar. We have an odd account by a guy who claims to have seen them riding the logging road but he seems to be a liar - or at least, no reason to think he was telling the truth. The only reliable witnesses are Hodgeson and others, but they weren't at the sandbar. There could have been a 3rd person who stayed away from the meeting with Hodgeson.

But even if P&G were truly alone on October 20th, it doesn't rule out Heironimus or any other 3rd party actor. BH's story is that he was at Bluff Creek for only about 24 hours and it was weeks before October 20. He would go on to say that of course he wasn't with them on the 20th. Even if the actor was somebody else, the strategy of filming well before announcement makes sense. You want to make sure you have the goods in order before you tell the world.

1. Film the hoax and then review the film to be sure that it is decent and does not very obviously look like a hoax or show major costume flaws. Keep in mind that your intended audience is not overtly critical and cannot examine the film at their leisure.

2. Edit the film if necessary or desired.

3. Go back to Bluff Creek to prepare the trackway for public view and then pretend that you just filmed Bigfoot. Act excited and hopeful (but not certain) that your film images are good.

Always remember that your intended audience and potential supporters are those who already are, or would be, Bigfoot believers. You can't fool everyone and that is just fine. Stick with the devoted Bigfoot seeker persona... a simple honest guy who wants to solve a major mystery... do not pay much attention to skeptics or naysayers... your intended audience will appreciate that you do not allow yourself to be slowed by the doubters. You know that people are hungry for this fantasy. You've already seen it happening since about 1958. Give them what they want. Time to deliver: October 20, 1967.
 
I've always agreed with the theory the film was shot at an earlier date. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what date Heironimus claims he was in the suit at bluff creek? (so i dont have to read the entire other thread lol) Also, how long did Heironimus claim he was in the bluff creek area? (dates from/to)
 
River said:
I've always agreed with the theory the film was shot at an earlier date. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what date Heironimus claims he was in the suit at bluff creek? (so i dont have to read the entire other thread lol) Also, how long did Heironimus claim he was in the bluff creek area? (dates from/to)
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Read my posts on this page and nearby.

Bob Heironimus says he was filmed at Bluff Creek on either October 5 or October 12. He can't remember which one. He says it was a Thursday. As I said, he claims to have been there for around 24 hours (arrives Weds, leaves Thurs). He slept there for one night.
 
Do you guys think I'm wrong about what ALLENMUSKY said?I would be excited if she confessed it was a hoaxI'm still sure sure I am right about this.
 
lucaschorak said:
Do you guys think I'm wrong about what ALLENMUSKY said?
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I've already pointed out the discrepancies to you. I've no idea who is wrong-you or ALLENMUSKY or both-and don't care. Personally, I think you and he are one in the same, anyway.

Either way, Tom Biscardi did not say what you/ALLENMUSKY claim he said.

I would be excited if she confessed it was a hoaxI'm still sure sure I am right about this.
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Whatever. If you are sure you are right, then don't let little things like facts and evidence get in your way.

Better yet, if you want to know if Mrs. Patterson told Biscardi that she is planning a deathbed confession, email Biscardi and ask him. That's generally the way to do research-go to the source.
 
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