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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
What do you mean by seem to be written after the fact. They in fact seem to be written before the fact since none of the gospels mention the destruction of the temple in 70 ad. That seems odd since it was such a huge event.
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Yeah, but all those records were destroyed. You said so. I think.
 
Akhenaten said:
Yeah, but all those records were destroyed. You said so. I think.
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The gospels were prolifically copied which is why we have over 5000 manuscripts of them in existence today compared with 7 manuscripts for Plato and 20 for Roman historian Tacitus. So it is highly unlikely all of them could be destroyed.
 
DOC said:
The gospels were prolifically copied which is why we have over 5000 manuscripts of them in existence today compared with 7 manuscripts for Plato and 20 for Roman historian Tacitus. So it is highly unlikely all of them could be destroyed.
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That's what the insurance assessors said about the library at Alexandria until they saw the mess.
 
DOC said:
What do you mean by seem to be written after the fact. They in fact seem to be written before the fact since none of the gospels mention the destruction of the temple in 70 ad. That seems odd since it was such a huge event.
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A gospel (from Old English, gōd spell "good news") is a writing that describes the life of Jesus. The word is primarily used to refer to the four canonical gospels: the Gospel of St.Matthew, Gospel of St. Mark, Gospel of St.Luke and Gospel of St.John, probably written between AD 65 and 80.
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After the fact.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
DOC said:
You might fool some people but putting useless posts like this up will sooner or later destroy any credibility you might have.
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Let's dissect this point:
What is credibility?
To Me, credibility is the degree to which one's statements can be trusted. The more credible the person, the more likely the factual statements made by the person is true. This says nothing of a person's opinion based statements. One could be a fully credible source, but have opinions that you completely disagree with. I emphasize this point because I think it important to discern between people who are credible and people who you agree with.

Now, how does one gain credibility:
1.) By consistently making factual statements
2.) By answering questions on a topic using clear and concise language.
3.) By not speaking as an authority on a topic of which one has limited knowledge.
4.) By avoiding making factually inaccurate statements
5.) By being willing to correct one self if a factual inaccuracy is observed and refraining from making that error again.
6.) By requesting information or where to obtain information so that one can avoid making factually inaccurate statements.

The more one follows these behaviors, the more credible the person becomes. Willful avoidance of these behaviors results in loss of credibility.


Now, Let's apply this to your exchange with Hokulele.
She asked you:
I.) Do have any idea what abiogenesis entails?
II.) Do you understand how it differs from evolution, by any definition at all? III.) Do you even know the true definition of the word "evolution"?
IV.) and why Darwin originally rejected it as a name for his theory?

If you knew the answers and answered the questions, you would be exhibiting behaviors 1 and 2. If
you did not know the answers, and answered by saying "I do not know", You would be exhibiting behaviors 3 and 4.
If you had responded with saying "Based upon your list, I realize my previous statements were made in ignorance. Please explain the answers to your question so that I may learn." You would be exhibiting behaviors 5 and 6.


IN other words, you had three opportunities to maintain or increase your credibility. Instead, you decided to avoid the questions entirely and feign disgust with being asked the questions. Unfortunately, by avoiding the questions, you only hurt your own credibility, because it appears that either
1.) You do not know the answers
2.) You know the answers but know that the answers would expose the dishonesty in your previous posts.


Indeed, you attempt at calling into question Hokulele's credibility is merely a classic example of projection.
 
Akhenaten said:
Niggle said:
Nominated!
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Why thank you! I'm glad I didn't quit the thread, since it's such a goldmine.

I blame six7s, mostly.

:)
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Thanks!

Now, a lot of people come in here and thank Jesus for such compliments. I want you to know that no one had less to do with this compliment than Jesus. He didn't help me a bit. If it was up to him, DOC would be up here with that damn book. So all I can say is suck it, Jesus, this compliment is my god now!

 
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paximperium said:
Using DOC's standard of evidence, Luke was a young nerfherded who lived in a desert under the care of his adopted aunt and uncle but is actually the son of the evil overlord.
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No, no, no! Han Solo was the nerfherder! And a very scruffy-looking one, too!
 
DOC said:
Another post where you say nothing but ask questions, explain nothing, and is a total waste of time. Your whole purpose in these type of useless posts is to try to demean me in some way and we learn nothing. You might fool some people but putting useless posts like this up will sooner or later destroy any credibility you might have.
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It's only a "total waste of time" if you persist in being obtuse and refuse to answer such simple, straightforward and pertinent questions
  • Do have any idea what abiogenesis entails?
  • Do you understand how it differs from evolution, by any definition at all?
  • Do you even know the true definition of the word "evolution" and why Darwin originally rejected it as a name for his theory?
As YOU are the one making extraodinary claims, it is YOUR credibility that is at stake here.

The way you respond to these (and other, similar) questions is the MOST significant factor in determining your credibility, which can only improve as - so far - it's zip, nada, zilch
 
Paulhoff said:


After the fact.

Paul

:) :) :)
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65, 66, 67, 68, and 69 are less than 70, the year the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the temple. You would think one of the four Gospel authors would mention such a huge event, especially someone called a great historian like Luke. Translation: Some or all of the gospels were likely written before 70 ad.

ETA If you didn't know the date of a book written about the modern history of New York state and after reading the book you noticed there was nothing about 911, you could safely assume the book was written before 2001.
 
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DOC said:
65, 66, 67, 68, and 69 are less than 70, the year the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the temple. You would think one of the four Gospel authors would mention such a huge event, especially someone called a great historian like Luke. Translation: Some or all of the gospels were likely written before 70 ad.
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"Then the German armor smashed through the Polish lines. The Wehrmacht was unstoppable!!! Then came the Fairy Laser power squad in their super space tutus."
Since I didn't mention D-Day, the dropping of the nuclear bomb, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, 9/11 or the Iraq War, therefore this was written in 1938 and must be true.
 
DOC said:
ETA If you didn't know the date of a book written about the modern history of New York state and after reading the book you noticed there was nothing about 911, you could safely assume the book was written before 2001.
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What a big "if" you have there. So still claiming your fairy tale as a "history" book huh?
 
six7s said:
It's only a "total waste of time" if you persist in being obtuse and refuse to answer such simple, straightforward and pertinent questions
  • Do have any idea what abiogenesis entails?
  • Do you understand how it differs from evolution, by any definition at all?
  • Do you even know the true definition of the word "evolution" and why Darwin originally rejected it as a name for his theory?
As YOU are the one making extraodinary claims, it is YOUR credibility that is at stake here.

The way you respond to these (and other, similar) questions is the MOST significant factor in determining your credibility, which can only improve as - so far - it's zip, nada, zilch
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5481073#post5481073

Now, back to this thread.
 
DOC said:
65, 66, 67, 68, and 69 are less than 70, the year the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the temple. You would think one of the four Gospel authors would mention such a huge event, especially someone called a great historian like Luke. Translation: Some or all of the gospels were likely written before 70 ad.

ETA If you didn't know the date of a book written about the modern history of New York state and after reading the book you noticed there was nothing about 911, you could safely assume the book was written before 2001.
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The best you can do to support your god is by giving a ~33% (first 5 years out of a 15 year window for the authorship) chance that perhaps maybe possibly some of the gospels were written before the event?


DOC said:
ETA If you didn't know the date of a book written about the modern history of New York state and after reading the book you noticed there was nothing about 911, you could safely assume the book was written before 2001.
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And if a book included information about the 911 collapse, you could safely assume it was written AFTER 911.
Now, let's apply this logic to the bible. :)
 
DOC said:
From the article:The Destruction of the Second Temple by Lambert Dolphin

"Jerusalem was totally destroyed and as Jesus had predicted - not one stone was left upon another. When the Temple was set on fire the Roman soldiers tore apart the stone to get the melted gold. The Menorah and vessels were carried to Rome and the treasury was robbed."

http://www.templemount.org/destruct2.html
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Hmm, wonder what wall thing is in Jerusalem that is internationally famous. What could it be called? Ah yes, it's generally known as The Wailing Wall. It's regarded as holy for Jews because it is the sole remnant of the Temple.

What was it Jesus said about the destruction of the Temple? 'There shall not be one stone left upon another'. I think that the wall proves him wrong...
 
pizzadeliveryninja said:
Hmm, wonder what wall thing is in Jerusalem that is internationally famous. What could it be called? Ah yes, it's generally known as The Wailing Wall. It's regarded as holy for Jews because it is the sole remnant of the Temple.

What was it Jesus said about the destruction of the Temple? 'There shall not be one stone left upon another'. I think that the wall proves him wrong...
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OUCH! great catch.
 
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