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Split Thread Source of the explosions in the WTC towers

Arus808 said:
sorry but you had several breaks already.

back up your claims.
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No you first prove that the explosions where caused by electrical
transformers, and other things that can explode in fires come on prove
it, yeah and also please provide evidence of fires on multiple floors
below the impact area that caused all these things to explode, to
account for the numerous explosions on multiple floors.

Oh well looks like neither side can prove their case in the case of what cased the explosions.
 
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thecritta said:
No you first prove that the explosions where caused by electrical
transformers, and other things that can explode in fires come on prove
it, yeah and also please provide evidence of fires on multiple floors
below the impact area that caused all these things to explode, to
account for the numerous explosions on multiple floors.

Oh well looks like neither side can prove their case in the case of the explosions.
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You ignored my post asking for audio examples of explosions filmed by the Naudet brothers one of whom was IN one of the towers,. Failing that.point out examples of victims suffering from blast induced barotrauma.
 
And also just because we dont have a solid evidence of bombs or
explosives on 9/11 doesnt mean there where not any, with the
eyewitness reports i have provided and seen over the past i
would say that there is a very high probability that there where
bombs in the towers and on 9/11.

Just listen to the account that Freddy Rodrigues gave of a
poweful explosion before the planes hit, so fire couldnt have
set of that explosion so then what did?

We know there was a generator below him where the explosion
occured so that means that the generator had a fuel tank,
but listen to the way he describes the explosion he said it
was so powerful it pushed him and the others in the room
upwards it made them jump, now i doubt rapidly igniting
fuel from a generator tank could provide that much explosive
energy so i would think the power of the explosion must have
come from an explosive going off.
 
thecritta said:
This is what i think take it or leave it

From what we know there where numerous explosions reported in
the wtc towers on numerous floors other than where the planes hit which
appeared to have occured over a period of time, now in order for all these things
on the floors that could explode and in order to get them to explode you would needs
multiple fires burning on multiple floors below where the planes hit and i dont see any
evidence of any fires burning in floors below the impact zone so where are these fires on
all these other floors that caused these thing to explode, and also i think the jet fuel that
shot down the elevator shaft would have burnt of rather quickly maybe causing a few things
to explode.

So in other words everywhere in the towers where there where explosions
reported you would have to have fire to cause these things to explode.

So come on show me evidence of fire's on the lower floors
where quiet a number of explosions where reported?
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Show me a controlled demolition where explosions occur up to 45 minutes before, and dozens of stories below, the planned collapse initiation zone. You don't destabilize something, especially something that large, and then wait that long before dealing the "Death Blow". The longest I can recall seeing any CD, from initial detonation to the finish of the collapse, was about 30 seconds at best.

The damage from the aircraft extended downwards (and probably upwards to some unmeasurable extent but sadly it's not documented because most of the witnesses are dead) through several conduits. Shorts in the wiring can cause transformer explosions a dozen or more floors below, and those explosions or fires can short out wiring that feeds down another dozen or more floors causing even more delayed transformer explosions. Air ducting, elevator shafts and even mail chutes can transmit the fuel vapors to later seek out their ignition sources. There are too many possible modes of propagation that can be easily explained in a complicated structure like that.

I'll let you in on a little secret. The S5W reactor (the reactor plant of choice for over 60 submarines during the cold war) had a control design flaw that wasn't detected for over 20 years. A key reactor coolant valve used 700 pound actuation air. There were (2) 4500 to 700 pound air reducers. One in the engineering spaces and one in the torpedo room. The loss of one was no big deal but the loss of both meant that positive control of the reactor was lost. This meant that the valve that was just about as far as possible from the reactor became a key reactor valve in some situations. As such it took the approval of not only the engineering officer but also the commanding officer to shut the supply to either of the reducers. There were other ways to shut the valve but in the event of a loss of 700# air a special watch had to be stationed until 700# air was restored.

This escaped the notice of literally thousands of people with nuclear degrees and training for twenty years. It took a one in ten thousand set of circumstances to bring it to light.

My point is that even in a highly engineered environment unexpected things can happen because of unexpected circumstances. In a structure that wasn't anywhere near as well thought out as a nuclear reactor there is bound to be several cascading failures when a catastrophic accident happens. You can't design for every possible situation even when you purposely try to and over engineer the system as a whole to do so.
 
A W Smith said:
and yet not a single worker out of thousands saw any evidence whatsoever of explosives or bombs during the recovery and clean up of GZ
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Yeah well it's a different case for the pentagon, i have even seen
a picture of a bowed out window in one of the pentagon rings.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
Show me a controlled demolition where explosions occur up to 45 minutes before, and dozens of stories below, the planned collapse initiation zone. You don't destabilize something, especially something that large, and then wait that long before dealing the "Death Blow". The longest I can recall seeing any CD, from initial detonation to the finish of the collapse, was about 30 seconds at best.

The damage from the aircraft extended downwards (and probably upwards to some unmeasurable extent but sadly it's not documented because most of the witnesses are dead) through several conduits. Shorts in the wiring can cause transformer explosions a dozen or more floors below, and those explosions or fires can short out wiring that feeds down another dozen or more floors causing even more delayed transformer explosions. Air ducting, elevator shafts and even mail chutes can transmit the fuel vapors to later seek out their ignition sources. There are too many possible modes of propagation that can be easily explained in a complicated structure like that.

I'll let you in on a little secret. The S5W reactor (the reactor plant of choice for over 60 submarines during the cold war) had a control design flaw that wasn't detected for over 20 years. A key reactor coolant valve used 700 pound actuation air. There were (2) 4500 to 700 pound air reducers. One in the engineering spaces and one in the torpedo room. The loss of one was no big deal but the loss of both meant that positive control of the reactor was lost. This meant that the valve that was just about as far as possible from the reactor became a key reactor valve in some situations. As such it took the approval of not only the engineering officer but also the commanding officer to shut the supply to either of the reducers. There were other ways to shut the valve but in the event of a loss of 700# air a special watch had to be stationed until 700# air was restored.

This escaped the notice of literally thousands of people with nuclear degrees and training for twenty years. It took a one in ten thousand set of circumstances to bring it to light.

My point is that even in a highly engineered environment unexpected things can happen because of unexpected circumstances. In a structure that wasn't anywhere near as well thought out as a nuclear reactor there is bound to be several cascading failures when a catastrophic accident happens. You can't design for every possible situation even when you purposely try to and over engineer the system as a whole to do so.
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Yeah well i am not saying that the explosion that freddy rodrigues
experienced was caused by a demolition charge planted to weaken the
building it could have been a bomb planted intended to target people
or a specific person at a set time maybe i read one interview where one the
blokes having a conversation with the other thought that the perpetrators of the attack
planted bombs in specific area's of the towers to target specific people that the perps didnt
like and use the bombs to destroy computers and other thing that hold some sort of crucial data
that the perps wanted destroyed.

And the paper also talked about using remote triggered thermate or thermite canisters in the building
to bring it down, and also they talked about that floor that Ryan Mackey has talked about with all
the batteries in it near when the molten stream of metal can be seen pouring out of the corner and
of the south tower, and the guy in the paper talked about how engineers came onto the floor and
reinforced the floor supports he thinks they replaced the batteries and filled them with thermite thermate
and also mentions that they never turned the power on to the these batteries strangely enough and
the paper even showed a picture of what appeared to be this room lined with big black batteries so
i think whoever this guys was he appeared to have worked in the towers.
 
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thecritta said:
Yeah well i am not saying that the explosion that freddy rodrigues
experienced was caused by a demolition charge planted to weaken the
building it could have been a bomb planted intended to target people
or a specific person at a set time maybe i read one interview where one the blokes having a conversation with the other thought that the perpetrators
of the attack planted bombs in specific area's of the towers to target specific
people that the perps didnt like and use the bombs to destroy computers
and other thing that hold some sort of crucial data that the perps wanted destroyed.
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How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you can't even get your hero's name right?
 
My own criticism of what Mr. Rodriguez said isn't his changing of his story (best left for a different thread) but how he knew that it was specifically before the 1st plane hit. I know that if I were 5 stories below street level and something happened ~900 feet above me just after "Bombs" went off near me in my subterranean lair that I'd completely miss the second incident being deaf and whatnot from the bomb that just went off near me and all...

Sorry, the smell test failed. It stinks too much.
 
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