8 out of 8 at Citgo station

[Arus808]

sorry cE but you and your ilk are the liars, here. as you continually claim that flight 77 did not crash there, despite being told that you are wrong, you are lying.

We have presented evidence that flight 77 crashed into the pentagon.

PAIK indicated a flight path he remembers, from 5 years ago, during that interview. and he was not in a position to see the impact. However, he did indcate that he thought it hit the VOD tower, WHICH puts the plane path on par with the official and SUPPORTED flight path

 

[mudlark]

You have a 757 fly just a dozen or so feet over your head and have it explode within a hundred or so feet of you and see just how descriptive you are. After you go clean the poop out of your pants and thank God you are still alive, someone asks you what happened. Lets just see how accurate your description would be. You really have never dealt with accident/crime witnesses before have you?

Yeah so you agree with me on the point about him having time to describe the following too?

Probst hit the ground and observed the right wing tip pass through the portable 750 kW generator that provides backup power to Wedge 1.The right engine took out the chainlink fence and posts surrounding the generator. The left engine struck an external steam vault before the fuselage entered the building.

Would he have even reached the ground by the time the plane ´struck´ in less than 0.4 seconds? Followed by a massive blast? Followed by a fireball that came within metres of his alleged position?
The guy was on the ground covering his head and praying to God like 99% of us would do. Of course he did.

Just like most of the witnesses in the immediate vicinity. There is NO WAY they could just sit and stare as an explosion occurred.

 

[BCR]

NOC = no impact.
Even the most ardent detractors acknowledge this.
Give it up.

So here is your big chance. You have the radar screenshots (I posted 2 for you). Where did the plane go? It went NoC, where did it go? Please show it to me on the radar. Please, help us understand this.

 

[BCR]

Just like most of the witnesses in the immediate vicinity. There is NO WAY they could just sit and stare as an explosion occurred.

Yes, but a C-130 pilot and co-pilot could have seen it. The radar could could have seen it. The DCA controllers could have seen it past the Pentagon. Please, help us out and show us where the plane went.

 

[mudlark]

So how far can debris be ejected in this 757 kinetic energy impact. Do you know how much kinetic energy was involved, or do you make up your own rules for physics and flying. Are you a pilot and an aircraft accident investigator? Do you have anything other than delusions?


does 2,480,000,000 joules ring a bell?

Which direction was this kinetic energy load allegedly travelling?
Tell me how I´m wrong about the blast hurling heavier debris in one direction and lighter debris in the opposite direction. Physically impossible.
Probst claimed that it ´floated´ about him in that mayhem. That it was airborne.
You know I´m right. I don´t need to be a ´pilot´ to know this basic physical reality. Unless we are talking 9/11 physics...

 

[Baylor]

Lagasse believed the poles were there because he saw the plane fly that direction, THEN saw the lightpoles down AFTERWARDS.

How do you know what he "believed" and what he saw. He said he saw the light poles north of Citgo. Stop calling Lagasse a liar. His testimony has been corroborated.

Lloyd England knows that he was being cornered into becoming THE official path witness and changed his ridiculous story when CIT put the heat on.

You just claimed you agree with Mr England that the light poles were North of the Citgo and the plane hit the pentagon. If you don't believe this, try to explain why the light poles WEREN'T north of the citgo and why the corroborating independently verified witnesses are all of the sudden wrong and the official story is right.

 

[Thunder]

So here is your big chance. You have the radar screenshots (I posted 2 for you). Where did the plane go? It went NoC, where did it go? Please show it to me on the radar. Please, help us understand this.

the Mossad could have easily removed the radar blips.

you know how crafty those jews can be.

 

[mudlark]

Yes, but a C-130 pilot and co-pilot could have seen it. The radar could could have seen it. The DCA controllers could have seen it past the Pentagon. Please, help us out and show us where the plane went.

You purposely ignoring posts or repeating til some of the proverbial **** sticks?

When I saw the initial explosion I was not able to see exactly where or what it had impacted, but remember trying to approximate a position to give to ATC.
-Lt Col Steve O'Brien

 

[mudlark]

The larger debris from the plane crashing into the wall and breaking up (material either going through wall or being reflected), lighter debris as a result of the explosion/fireball going in all directions?

Less than 5 seconds. ´floating´, the heat and smoke dissipated over the Pentagon facade in the video I linked you to.
Impossible. Sorry.

 

[alexi_drago]

Which direction was this kinetic energy load allegedly travelling?
Tell me how I´m wrong about the blast hurling heavier debris in one direction and lighter debris in the opposite direction. Physically impossible.
Probst claimed that it ´floated´ about him in that mayhem. That it was airborne.
You know I´m right. I don´t need to be a ´pilot´ to know this basic physical reality. Unless we are talking 9/11 physics...

Physics? angle of reflection=angle of incidence (basic physics, you should know this since you're the one mentioning physics) explains the debris around the heli pad and why it agrees with the official flight path.

Then a big explosion/fireball (not direcional as you seem to think) goes in all directions.

 

[Childlike Empress]

FYI mudlark, "BCR" is John Farmer aka "911files". He "retired" from this forum months ago and had his original account set to "Guest" status. Now he's back, don't ask me how or why.

 

[mudlark]

Sorry, 77 was going 483 KIAS and it was flying a true track course of 61.5 degree for the last few seconds, so your failed NoC is pure nonsense based on delusional rants of idiots at CIT.

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RADAR and all the witnesses verify this flight path if only you had been trained in aircraft accident investigation.
Morons invented the NoC.

The C-130 pilot knows 77 impacted the Pentagon, because the only jet-fuel fireball that day at the Pentagon was from 77. This is funny as you have nothing to refute the jet-fuel fireball, or the damage to the Pentagon that is exactly to the joule that of kinetic energy impact from a 757.

Did you ask the C-130 pilot if he supports your moronic delusion?

What witnesses?????????????????????????
O´Brien (I can´t believe I have to quote this guy again)

When I saw the initial explosion I was not able to see exactly where or what it had impacted, but remember trying to approximate a position to give to ATC.
-Lt Col Steve O'Brien

End of story on the C130 pilots confirming ANYTHING as regards ´flight 77 impacting the Pentagon´.

Do you find it hard to believe that a ´jet-fuel fireball´ can be caused by anything other than a ´plane impact´?

 

[TJM]

FYI mudlark, "BCR" is John Farmer aka "911files". He "retired" from this forum months ago and had his original account set to "Guest" status. Now he's back, don't ask me how or why.

And?

 

[mudlark]

FYI mudlark, "BCR" is John Farmer aka "911files". He "retired" from this forum months ago and had his original account set to "Guest" status. Now he's back, don't ask me how or why.

Aaaahh...explains a lot.

Okay, night folks. Hopefully one of you guys will have the courage to put forward just ONE SOC witness by tomorrow...

Happy New Year CLE

 

[triforcharity]

And when you turn it back on it's still there. Just like when you occasionally take your head out of the sand.

And yet, I can surf millions and millions of websites, and not see a single thing related to the Bowel Movement.

 

[mudlark]

Physics? angle of reflection=angle of incidence (basic physics, you should know this since you're the one mentioning physics) explains the debris around the heli pad and why it agrees with the official flight path.

Then a big explosion/fireball (not direcional as you seem to think) goes in all directions.

Oh yeah, the larger debris is forced one way and the smaller fragments that could actually float went the other way AND came down within 5 seconds...that the physics we are talking about?
Okay.

 

[BCR]

You purposely ignoring posts or repeating til some of the proverbial **** sticks?

I did not ignore. He said he could not see exactly where it hit. The key is that he did see it go down and 'hit' something. He did not see it fly over and beyond. After it 'hit' something, he did not see it flying around again. From his vantage point at ~3,000 feet agl, he could see very well (nice clear day). I also have 'as it happened' audio for 2 Arlington County police officers on Columbia Pike. The saw it go down and 'hit' something. They did not see it again after that and they were both facing towards the Pentagon.

So here we have a a plane, described 'as it happened' as an American Airlines 757. The 'as it happened' record indicates it 'hit' something, never to be seen again. The radar tells the same story. So, what happened to the plane mudlark?

 

[BCR]

FYI mudlark, "BCR" is John Farmer aka "911files". He "retired" from this forum months ago and had his original account set to "Guest" status. Now he's back, don't ask me how or why.

My NWO handlerer called me up and said if I wanted to keep drawing a paycheck that I needed to get back to work

 

[Baylor]

Hopefully one of you guys will have the courage to put forward just ONE SOC witness by tomorrow...

No, it's you who needs at least ONE SOC witness. So far we have corroborating testimonies that put the light poles north of citgo (thus the plane hit them and the building) and not one witness who put the light poles SOC.

 

[332nd]

Okay, night folks. Hopefully one of you guys will have the courage to put forward just ONE SOC witness by tomorrow...

... Why would anyone have to?