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Hardfire debate copyright laws

newton3376

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What are the copyright laws about the hardfire debates that are on google video and youtube?

As far as I can tell...youtube and google leave the copyright issues up to the poster of the original material...

Can I download these videos or upload them to play as a video in a "chat room" ?

If I ever chose to do this I would want to make sure I was not doing anything questionable....

These debates are good material for showing truthers why they are completely wrong on pretty much every issue....so does anyone know what the rules are or who I would have to contact to get permission if I need it?

Thanks.
 
IANAL, but it seems obvious that by placing the videos online themselves, the Hardfire producers are effectively ceding control of the showing of the videos to the general public. I would guess that they retain the exclusive right to charge people to see it.
 
newton3376 said:
What are the copyright laws about the hardfire debates that are on google video and youtube?

As far as I can tell...youtube and google leave the copyright issues up to the poster of the original material...

Can I download these videos or upload them to play as a video in a "chat room" ?

If I ever chose to do this I would want to make sure I was not doing anything questionable....

These debates are good material for showing truthers why they are completely wrong on pretty much every issue....so does anyone know what the rules are or who I would have to contact to get permission if I need it?

Thanks.
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Brainster said:
IANAL, but it seems obvious that by placing the videos online themselves, the Hardfire producers are effectively ceding control of the showing of the videos to the general public. I would guess that they retain the exclusive right to charge people to see it.
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I am pretty sure that the producers of Hardfire would not object to you reproducing those videos in their entirety for your intended purposes (and I say this only because Ron Wieck, who is the host of the shows that you've mentioned, is a friend) but I would suggest that you contact the producers directly if you intend to cut, edit, or otherwise change the videos, because posting them online does not, in fact, cede control of them to the general public, and changing them in any way opens the path to copyright violations in the absence of explicit permission, etc.
 
Now she's going to bill you for that advice, you know......

;)
 
LashL said:
(...) I would suggest that you contact the producers directly if you intend to cut, edit, or otherwise change the videos, because posting them online does not, in fact, cede control of them to the general public, and changing them in any way opens the path to copyright violations in the absence of explicit permission, etc.
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Wouldn't it be exactly the opposite? Posting the video in its entirety would be considered a copyright violation (assuming the work is copyrighted), whereas a cut/edited version might fall under fair use.

Obviously, I'm generalizing - it's a complicated subject.
 
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.

deep said:
Wouldn't it be exactly the opposite? Posting the video in its entirety would be considered a copyright violation (assuming the work is copyrighted), whereas a cut/edited version might fall under fair use.
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A very short excerpt might qualify as fair use, but an excerpt so extensive as to be described as a "cut/edited version" is less likely to qualify as fair use.

Posting the video in its entirety would be a copyright violation if you didn't have the consent of the copyright owner, but you might be able to argue that the copyright owners gave that consent by placing the video on YouTube. It would be harder to argue that they have consented to derivative works.

In practical terms, cutting or editing an artistic work or a work that deals with controversial subjects may be more likely to annoy the copyright owner into taking legal action than leaving the work intact. Linking to the YouTube page, with some indication of the relevant fragment (e.g. 2:10-2:16) might be a safer thing to do.

deep said:
Obviously, I'm generalizing - it's a complicated subject.
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Hence my disclaimer and weasel words.
 
LashL said:
I am pretty sure that the producers of Hardfire would not object to you reproducing those videos in their entirety for your intended purposes (and I say this only because Ron Wieck, who is the host of the shows that you've mentioned, is a friend) but I would suggest that you contact the producers directly if you intend to cut, edit, or otherwise change the videos, because posting them online does not, in fact, cede control of them to the general public, and changing them in any way opens the path to copyright violations in the absence of explicit permission, etc.
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Well I would not be editing anything and the purpose would be for debunking purposes....to show the truthers just how badly they did in these debates.

If you think Ron would have an issue with it let me know...although from what you posted it sounds like I will be okay.

Thanks Lash.
 
I agreed with Lash, why don't you just ask Ron or the producers? You'll not go wrong that way.....
 
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