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8 out of 8 at Citgo station

Hey, if some witnesses said a god damned Toyota tercel jumped over the Pentagon, you can be god damn sure that a Toyota tercel jumped over the Pentagon whether it physically could or not! ;)
 
mudlark said:
I am not a mouthpiece for anyone. I don´t speak for CIT.
This is my own research. Got it?

The numbers have already been ran for you:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=122

The plane does not have to be "parallel" to the Navy Annex since Terry Morin is the only person who made that claim and he admitted that he was IN BETWEEN the wings of the Navy Annex and therefore was not in a good place to see the exact heading of the plane as it flew directly over his head for a split second.
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OH wait, so it is 12 witnesses then? COOL! And no Boger, right? Cause he did not describe the bank angle, now did he? So we got 11 (lots a folks going under the bus tonight). In fact that path wasn't described by any of CIT's witnesses.... hmmmmm, could Bobby and his ex-pal have by making **** up?

Now, just take Cap'n Bobby's worthless start, and add the descent and pull up and over. Should be a piece of cake!

I'm looking forward to the flight path, corroborated, by math!

eta: It is hilarious that he said that the math could not be done, and a few minutes later, he posts Cap'n Bobby's stupid paper! Someone got an e-mail!
 
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mudlark said:
Most of the witnesses in that link have already been covered.
There are NO SOC witnesses on it.
Do you guys even read what you link to?
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Sorry, but we do HAVE SOC witnesses. If you bothered to read their testimony and claims, they put the plane SOC.

Unfortunately for you, NOT everyone who was there that day was going to use the CITGO station as a point of reference. Many were using the light poles, and their position why they were on the freeway or from where they were standing.

You are a no planer,
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Edited for rule 12.
YOU should be ignored for repeating such despicable claims.
 
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And no Boger, right? Cause he did not describe the bank angle, now did he?
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No, he didn't, and he also described the plane going into the building. If anyone, ANYONE in the world, would have seen the flyover, it would have been Boger. It would have happened maybe a hundred feet from him, if that.

He didn't. BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
 
mudlark said:
Most of the witnesses in that link have already been covered.
There are NO SOC witnesses on it.
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Really?

Gary Bauer,
“I was in a massive traffic jam, hadn’t moved more than a hundred yards in twenty minutes. My office called to tell me about the first plane in New York, the reaction was ‘horrible accident.’ And then they called about the second plane, and clearly that meant something much worse was going on. It was only then that I really noticed where I was in that traffic jam. I was going past the Pentagon, really inching a yard or so every couple of minutes. I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395 . . . when all of a sudden I heard the roar of a jet engine. “I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn’t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon.
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That's the first one, shall I go on? Never mind, you FAIL!
 
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Should this witness not be struck from that link Twinstead?

Ticknor Henry (minister)

Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. "There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud," he said.
http://www.uua.org/world/2002/01/feature3a.html
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but later he told the real version:

"Recently I went on-line and did a search on my name. Not too many surprises, lots of sermons, a couple of newspaper items about my days with the Fairfax County Public Schools, a few references to my name in the Winchester Star. But the most interesting was a 9-11 conspiracy theory site that quoted me as an eyewitness to the attack on the Pentagon. Comments, attributed to me, but printed without my knowledge or permission were used to support the notion that it may not have been a plane that struck the Pentagon, but rather a missile. The web page says, "This is the only witness statement that seems to have caught the white smoke which would agree with a missile being fired. Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. "There was a puff of white smoke and then a billowing black cloud."

Where did that come from? No idea, unless it was lifted from a UU World Magazine article for which I was interviewed at some length as an eyewitness. You see on the morning of September 11, I was driving down Rt. 50 on my way to work at the Arlington UU Church when I saw a plane dive below the tree line and an immediate explosion. I did tell the World Magazine about the smoke; I never said the plane came in fast and low over my car, as I was five miles from the point of impact. Where is my right to privacy?"

http://www.uushenandoah.org/sermons/050501.htm
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FIVE miles away. Tells of media LYING about what he said.
Not a witness. He saw ´smoke´ yet his quote was misconstrued to
be the ´white plume´ seen in the ´5 frames´. Unreal that this guy´s name still appears on these pathetic links to counterargue what NOC witnesses saw.
 
How about this one?

Campos, Omar

His only testimony is in this live video clip

Campos interview.

The guy who translated for the interviewer changed the context and content of what he said and saw.

“sabes que yo estaba trabjando en el edificio que tenemos aqui al costado"

I was working in the building that we have over here to the side.
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When asked what he saw Campos said the plane came in over him low, so low it moved the trees..

“yo lo via que me pasaba aqui por encima, tu sabes que venia muy bajo y movia hasta los arboles, hasta segun venia tan de bajo”.
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He repeats the fact that it was low twice. The translator, on the other hand, changed that to say it came in “very fast down it moved then go straight to the building”. He didn’t even mention it was low, which is what Campos emphasized. Campos didn’t say anything about the speed of the plane, and DID NOT say it “moved straight to the building”. The translator made that up.

Also related to the color of the plane, Gordon Peterson (the interviewer) mentioned American Airlines (nothing leading there) and Rajish passed that on in his question to Omar. Campos ignored them and responded that it was like one of the planes here from United ("algo asi como los de la United"), which was translated as "a United States Plane" by the translator. Omar was clearly talking about United Airlines, not "United States Plane". Omar wasn’t mixing English and Spanish like the “translator”. Had he meant a “United States Plane” he would have used “de los estados unidos” or “estado unidinese”. In effect Omar was confirming Sgt Brooke’s perception of the plane as being one from United Airlines.

So where in this picture is a building ´to the side of the Pentagon´ and trees? It certainly ISN¨T on the south path.

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So he isn´t an impact witness or an ´AA´ witness according to this testimony.

But hey, the totally off translation suited so...
 
But the most interesting was a 9-11 conspiracy theory site that quoted me as an eyewitness to the attack on the Pentagon. Comments, attributed to me, but printed without my knowledge or permission were used to support the notion that it may not have been a plane that struck the Pentagon, but rather a missile
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Quote-mine FAIL!
 
jhunter1163 said:
No, he didn't, and he also described the plane going into the building. If anyone, ANYONE in the world, would have seen the flyover, it would have been Boger. It would have happened maybe a hundred feet from him, if that.

He didn't. BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
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Sean Boger

http://thepentacon.com/Topic11.htm

The CIT interview with Sean Boger:

¨It would be on my right or the gas station´s left. If I´m looking out my window
Because I´m looking toward the gas station...it would be on my right hand side.¨

¨As he was coming towards me it just seemed like he was tilting the aircraft to his right ¨
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Okay?

You guys really believe that any witnesses, especially within ´100 feet´ could have WATCHED an explosion? Human instinct is to duck, get the head down, run for cover. Tell me it isn´t.
 
Do we really have to go through with debunking the P4T/CIT b.s. again? It was garbage last year and it smells no better this year.:covereyes
 
mudlark said:
Should this witness not be struck from that link Twinstead?
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Ah, NO, because, now listen carefully, WITNESS ACCOUNTS OF ANY EVENT LIKE THIS are going to vary. There are going to be anomalous witness accounts.

Taken as a whole, what can ANY rational person take from the witness testimonies I posted? Are you kidding?
 
jhunter1163 said:
Quote-mine FAIL!
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http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Pentagon_witnesses#cite_note-21

Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. "There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud," he said.[22]
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The media ALSO used this bs lie to uphold the official story.
Fail? No.
 
hello? is this thing on?

mudlark said:
Anybody who has seen me post here knows I don´t shirk from ANY comments.
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If you aren't going to do the math and prove the flight path from CIT is even possible, could you at least post a plausible theory for what happened to American Airlines flight 77 at the Pentagon on 9/11/01?

I mean really, if you don't have a theory or hypothesis, why don't you just cut and paste a plausible explanation from whatever site you got all of this other stuff from?
 
twinstead said:
Ah, NO, because, now listen carefully, WITNESS ACCOUNTS OF ANY EVENT LIKE THIS are going to vary. There are going to be anomalous witness accounts.

Taken as a whole, what can ANY rational person take from the witness testimonies I posted? Are you kidding?
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These witnesses are being linked to in order to discredit NOC testimony or to be labelled so-called impact witnesses.
He was 5 MILES away. How can his testimony which was obviously manipulated, be compared to people within metres of the plane?

His testimony is like many others mentioned. Making up the numbers. Unconfirmed and doesn´t contradict NOC.
 
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