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I noticed that. Seems to me this usually gets trotted out when the right is being criticized, but I could be wrong.
You posted Sullivan's pathetic rant because you say you agree with his nebulous examples of what is wrong with conservatives. Sulli has joined the David Brock club. Good riddance.
This is not true. No Democratic president since Truman has left office with a higher debt-to-GDP ratio than when he started. (Obama may be the first, depending upon how long the Keynesian deficit spending takes to get traction; of course, FDR also had to put a war on his tab, which raised that ratio as well).
Every Republication president since Reagan has left office with a higher debt-to-GDP ration than when he started.
No, but he's saying that it's a crucial and major part of the government's role(s).
It's not. But I've not seen any evidence that the left wing has failed in its duty to police the markets. How much deregulation happened on Clinton's watch vs. how much on either of the Bushs', or on Reagan's?
Not the same, any more than regulations requiring seat belts are the same as criminalizing driving. Gun laws exist to make guns safer; American drug policy is not interested in making drugs safer, but in eliminating them altogether.
Well, Sarah Palin was clearly "manifestly unqualified," but selected purely to bring in women's votes. Dan Quayle at least had experience on the national level, having served a full term in the US senate. But compare that with the experience of the Democratic VP candidates,
Who have in recent elections included three senior senators (Gore, Liberman, and Biden).
I'm afraid the rhetorical nonsense seems to be on all your side....
You know, I'm really happy when the lunatic fringe of the Republican party starts to say "Good riddance" to the people who recognize the current intellectual and moral shambles that make up the modern conservative movement and are therefore Not True Conservatives.
I will be even happier when the republican party is reduced down to Cicero and Sarah Palin competing for who can out-ignorant the other in the name of populism.
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And the "manifestly unqualified" part was what Sullivan should have focused on. Focusing on Trig not only made Sullivan out to be a conspiracy kook, but made it seem like there wasn't much to criticize Palin about.
As for bringing in women's votes, sorry, we're not that dumb.
Palin isn't in politics or running for a political position. Libs continue to concentrate on her rather than examine the faux pas of those in the Obama Administration, who actually have authority regarding American foreign and domestic policy.
All it takes to get instant credibility with libs is to follow any of these rules: slam Palin, slam FOX News, blame Israel for U.S. foreign policy woes, use the phrase "neo-cons," and genuflect towards Obama. Sulli manages to hit all of these sour notes that make up the liberal symphony.
March 12th, 2008 Conservative, Andrew Sullivan, now totally won over by Obama
April 6th, 2008 Andrew Sullivan: Bush Administration Officials Will Be 'Indicted For War Crimes'
July 5th, 2008 Andrew Sullivan: Iraq war waged to secure oil supplies and a foolish attempt to protect Israel.
September 10th, 2008 Andrew Sullivan: "It's about John McCain. The one thing I always thought I knew about him is that he is a decent and honest person ... So far, he has let us all down."
September 13th, 2008 "John McCain is now for ever a despicable and dishonest and dishonorable man. He has destroyed his reputation." - Andrew Sullivan
September 14th, 2008 Andrew Sullivan: Is Sarah Palin the most unqualified VP candidate ever?
September 19th, 2008 Andrew Sullivan On Maher Tonight - "Sarah Palin is a farce, a joke and an absurdity"
November 3rd, 2008 Andrew Sullivan makes the case for why after 9/11 and as we fight the War on Terrorism, we need Barack Obama to be president
Febuary 6th, 2009 The Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan has finally come to the conclusion that the democracy claptrap that neo-conservatives have spouted since 9/11 has been a facade for their core foreign-policy worldview with Israel at its heart.
March 17th, 2009 Andrew Sullivan: Two Critiques Of Obama; They Are Equally Wrong and also Contradict Each Other
April 11th, 2009 Andrew Sullivan: "They Are Not Tea Parties, They Are Tea Tantrums. It Is The Adolescent, Unserious Hysteria Of The Collapsing Conservative Movement"
May 5th, 2009 Andrew Sullivan on Condoleezza Rice: "I do not believe in being polite to war criminals. I believe in prosecuting them."
August 5h, 2009 Once again Andrew Sullivan shows that he is not a Conservative
November 12th, 2009 Conservative Andrew Sullivan: Obama has the kind of strength we haven't seen in a president since Reagan.
November 13th, 2009 Conservative Andrew Sullivan: Fox News is the Enemy Of Conservatism
November 24th, 2009 Andrew Sullivan: Beware the powerful fantasy world of Sarah Palin, Warrior Princess
December 1st, 2009 Andrew Sullivan officially dumps the right - it's about time
December 2nd, 2009 Andrew Sullivan Leaves The Right: "I cannot support a movement that sees permanent war as compatible with liberal democratic norms and limited government. I cannot support a movement that criminalizes private behavior in the war on drugs."
http://www.facesofwar.org/storage/Sullivan.html
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So? The point is that Republicans thought she was qualified, still defend her, and she has influence with a significant portion of the right. She comments on politics, and is rightfully addressed when she does. Just like Olberman.
While it might be better to ignore her, it is a valid criticism of the right that she has been elevated in this manner.
Yeah, that doesn't sound like a straw man at all. Oh wait, it does. Again, why do you defend criticism of the right with attacks on the left? This doesn't make any sense.
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Well Clinton is in no way shape or form "left wing", but under him we saw the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act that separated commercial and investment banking, which many believe played the crucial role in the banking collapse we're in now. He got us into all those free trade agreements which caused a flight of American jobs. He "reformed" welfare, weakining our social safety net....
....I wonder how much better our country would be doing right now if it weren't for Clinton.
They don't call him the most successful Republican president for nothin'.
McCain thought she was "qualified." He is the only one who could put her on the ticket. The majority of Alaskan voters figured she was qualified to be their governor. The lame stream media didn't care about Palin's qualifications in politics until McCain chose her to be his running mate. Had this women been a liberal ideologue, and selected by Obama to be his running mate, the lame stream media would have extolled her political experience.
Whom do you think elevated Palin's importance on the world stage after the election? Hint: It wasn't the right.
Sulli, the supposed level-headed voice of conservatism, was/is obsessed with who was Trig's biological mother.
"I'm very sorry to say, it's come to this: can you confirm on the record that Trig Palin is Sarah Palin's biological son? . . . Since this is a crazy idea, it should be easy for you or someone to let me know, the most popular one-man political blog site in the world, what the truth is." Andrew Sullivan e-mail query to the McCain campaign:
Perhaps the hilited portion explains Sulli's true motivations. Pummeling Palin makes him popular with the left, while abstaining from making valid criticisms of the current administration's liberal ideology signified that Sulli had already joined the David Brock contingent years ago.
What are you talking about? For the last two years, Sulli has yet to manage any coherent and valid utterances that explain his problem with American conservatism. He could sit in for Olbermann on "Countdown" and people would only notice the change in accent.
So "the first black POTUS"* was really a Republican? Interesting.
*Toni Morrison
http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/clinton/morrison.html
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And it appears that they were wrong.
Yes, yes, 'evil liberal media' blah, blah. Again, how is this a defense of the right?
No, her continued support by one element of the right has helped elevate her. So has media attention. It's odd that you put in the 'after the election bit' because the election was the important part.
Ad-hom now? That doesn't address the criticism at all. Sure, Sulli could be an idiot. That doesn't make his points less valid.
I simply don't care. Address the argument. I have nothing invested in Sullivan himself.
So what? It doesn't make these criticism of the right any less valid. Do you have anything at all to add about these points? Attacking the media, the left, dems, bloggers, does nothing to address the points.
The only person who has referred to Clinton as "the Republican POTUS" is you. If you actually believe that, then Toni Morrison's comment about Clinton is rather amusing.
How did you come to that conclusion? Did the Alaskan voters change their opinion of her when she consented to be McCain's running mate instead of finishing out her term?
This thread is not about defending the right, rather it is about how Sulli, never a conseravite leader, coughed up lame excuses for why he had to abandon conservatism.
What did losing the 2000 and 2004 elections do for VP candidates Lieberman and Edwards? Why didn't they achieve the same prominece as Palin did for being on the losing ticket?
Not only is Sulli an idiot, he never uttered any substantive analysis of the faults of currrent conservatism in his diatribes for the last two years.
Somehow you managed to remove Sulli from the OP. Why?
Sulli's criticisms are meritless. There are problems with the GOP, unfortunately, Sulli is too consumed with Palin priapism to make a coherent argument addressing the problems.
What exactly did you find so poignant about Sullivan's travels from his perspective as editor of The Atlantic and as "the most popular one-man political blog site in the world."
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Calling Clinton "Americas first black president" is material for stand-up comedians (and authors I suppose) because it's a joke. And a silly one.
The reason Clinton gets called one of the most successful Republican presidents is because he manged to get passed items that were Republican platform planks that Republicans had been failing to get passed for years. To the great ire of many Democrats at the time.
But I guess you can't parse that with your partisan-thinking-firewall, because Clinton was a "Radical-Left-Winger!" right?
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Whom besides you refers to Clinton in this way? According to your "partisan-thinking-firewall," Clinton is a Republican because he reformed welfare, a system that was obviously out of control to anyone that wasn't consumed by the idea that government is supposed to be a cradle to grave dispenser of unlimited entitlements.
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