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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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kurious_kathy said:
Have you ever researched and pondered why the church in places such as Africa and China have grown even more under such horrible persecution? It seems God poors out his spirit even more in places that are under total and complete oppression. In essence I believe it's safe to say Christianity has always suffered persecution and yet it continues to grow today, why do you think that is?
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The growth of religion in China (and it's all religions that are growing, not just christianity) only happened after the worst of the oppression ended. Today most religions are still growing at very fast rates, but China is now a very open society, with a fair degree of religious freedom, a capitalist economy, freedom of movement, an ever increasing amount of freedom of expression, and a general feeling of hope and optimism.

Sorry to destroy you strawman, but the vast majority of Chinese don't feel in the least bit oppressed.
 
kurious_kathy said:
The question I have for you is how in the heck do you even think you can proove it's not the truth? I mean' you really cannot disprove the Bible isn't the true word of God; and everyone I have heard thus far trying to state it isn't true has not convinced me otherwise or even been able to put a doubt in my mind. So why do you side with mans wisdom over God's? This is truly where I see the true problem begins.
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Yay! Proving a negative!

I do not believe that anything you call God's wisdom actually came from any god (since I do not believe there are any of those). As far as I can tell, it is all people's wisdom, and the wisdom I choose to live by works for me in that I do not live in fear of tomorrow, I do not have to cater to some man's whim simply because I am married to him, and when I see other people suffering, I can take steps to alleviate their pain that I know will do them good immediately, rather than in some indeterminate future life.
 
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kurious_kathy said:
Well I know it is the truth too because God has opened my spiritual eyes to it, but if he hadn't I would probably be exactly where you are today asking why I should believe it.

The question I have for you is how in the heck do you even think you can proove it's not the truth? I mean' you really cannot disprove the Bible isn't the true word of God; and everyone I have heard thus far trying to state it isn't true has not convinced me otherwise or even been able to put a doubt in my mind. So why do you side with mans wisdom over God's? This is truly where I see the true problem begins.
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How can you prove any religious text isn't the truth?
 
kurious_kathy said:
Well I know it is the truth too because God has opened my spiritual eyes to it, but if he hadn't I would probably be exactly where you are today asking why I should believe it.

The question I have for you is how in the heck do you even think you can proove it's not the truth? I mean' you really cannot disprove the Bible isn't the true word of God; and everyone I have heard thus far trying to state it isn't true has not convinced me otherwise or even been able to put a doubt in my mind. So why do you side with mans wisdom over God's? This is truly where I see the true problem begins.
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Have you ever wondered how the bible came to us in it's present form? It didn't just fall out of the sky you know. It was written, translated, re-copied, re-translated and written ad hoc over many centuries by fallible man in a very superstitious time of history, where miracles were expected ever day and heaven was just out of sight above the dome covering the Earth that was the center of the universe, with the sun rising and setting over this flat Earth.
Why not have a look at how the bible actually came about outside of it.
 
And the bible tells us 3000 were converted on Pentecost 50 days after the resurrection and also 5000 were converted a short time after that. That sounds like very rapid growth to me.
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Oh, look. Quoting the Bible to prove the Bible is true - again.
 
kurious_kathy said:
The question I have for you is how in the heck do you even think you can proove it's not the truth?
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Sure I can:
1. The Bible advocates slavery
2. Jesus condones slavery
3. If the god of the bible is real, it means that he has no moral objection to slavery.
4. Modern christians claim that slavery isn't advocated by god.
5. Therefore, either point 3 or point 4 is wrong.

If Point 3 is wrong, then the bible isn't "the truth". If point 4 wrong, then god is evil.
 
DOC said:
And the bible tells us 3000 were converted on Pentecost 50 days after the resurrection and also 5000 were converted a short time after that. That sounds like very rapid growth to me.
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Elizabeth I said:
Oh, look. Quoting the Bible to prove the Bible is true - again.
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Yes, but when the highly detailed author of those verses (Luke) has been called one of the world's greatest historians by a famous archaeologist, it is just downright bias not to believe it likely occurred.

Here is what this great historian Luke wrote:

3000 were saved at Pentecost, Acts 2:41 (50 days after the resurrection)

Membership of 5000 men (not including the woman who were there) Acts 4:4

Turned the world upside down Acts 17:6 (within 25 years)

And if you don't like Luke we know from a secular historian (Tacitus) that Nero blamed the Christians in Rome in 64 ad for the fire that destroyed much of the city.

There is plenty of historical evidence that Christianity grew very fast.
 
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joobz said:
Sure I can:
1. The Bible advocates slavery
2. Jesus condones slavery
3. If the god of the bible is real, it means that he has no moral objection to slavery.
4. Modern christians claim that slavery isn't advocated by god.
5. Therefore, either point 3 or point 4 is wrong.

If Point 3 is wrong, then the bible isn't "the truth". If point 4 wrong, then god is evil.
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Joobz you know full well the verse you allude to is translated servant and not slave in the great majority of translations. Why do you continue to misrepresent that verse. To be honest you should say Jesus condones servants.
 
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RoboTimbo said:
I fixed it for you, DOC, so that you wouldn't appear to be any more dishonest.
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I never understood this whole thing with changing other people's quotes like you and some others do but

why don't you tell us what this servant in the parable did to deserve receiving some lashes.
 
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DOC said:
I never understood this whole thing with changing other people's quotes like you and some others do but

why don't you tell us what this servant in the parable did to deserve receiving some lashes.
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Answer this first: Why did you remove the reference to beating to begin with?
 
Akhenaten said:
What's funny is the relentless attempt to align history with the fairytales of the bible.
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What evidence do you have that the religious beliefs of over 40 US presidents and the US Congress who made the official US national motto "In God We Trust" are based on fairy tales.
 
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DOC said:
What evidence do you have that the religious beliefs of over 40 US presidents and the US Congress who made the official US national motto "In God We Trust" are based on fairy tales.
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What evidence do you have that it's not? ;)
 
Gee....A predominantly-Christian country in which elected officials are predominantly Christian as well.... Go figure.
Puzzle us this.... Why are all those nice, Christian fellows so likely to be involved in corruption?
 
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