Wake up Europe! It's real

[leftysergeant]

Is your credit card a viciously sharp fold-up knife? Maybe, so let's check every piece of plastic eh?

Don't laugh. I have seen those at gun shows. Also belt buckles that contain an actual single-shot .22lr Derringer-type pistol.

Remember, people, that Timothy McVeigh would probably even clear today's screening, especially if they started profiling people on their appearance.

What is to keep some rabid racist granny with terminal lung cancer from taking out an airliner to get her Jewish congress critter?

 

[GlennB]

Don't laugh. I have seen those at gun shows. Also belt buckles that contain an actual single-shot .22lr Derringer-type pistol.

I wasn't joking. I recall that some years back one of the UK tabloids made a terrible fuss about exactly this kind of thing, but without ever suggesting what should be done about it. But short of examining every tiny item in depth then we never have total security without 10-hour queues to get on a flight.

 

[dudalb]

Taking bets as to how long until 9/11 Investigator declares that the Jews are behing the latest incident......

 

[TriskettheKid]

Apparently, there was another incident today.

Same flight, too. Also a Nigerian.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/27/michigan.airplane.disruption/index.html

 

[Thunder]

Taking bets as to how long until 9/11 Investigator declares that the Jews are behing the latest incident......

there are a few Jews in Holland. there are a few Jews in Nigeria.

ifso-facto......quid-pro-quo...da Joos did it!!!!!

 

[Thunder]

Apparently, there was another incident today.

Same flight, too. Also a Nigerian.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/27/michigan.airplane.disruption/index.html

wait, the plane was headed for Detroit?

well hell..let that thing blow up then.

 

[BenBurch]

Maybe they need to just have everybody strip naked, pass through the metal detectors, and then put on blue Tyvek jumpsuit and disposable slippers on the other side.

 

[TriskettheKid]

Maybe they need to just have everybody strip naked, pass through the metal detectors, and then put on blue Tyvek jumpsuit and disposable slippers on the other side.

Or we could try and adopt El Al's security measures.

Unless there's another airline out there that is more secure.

Then again, it may not be the most cost effective, as El Al has, what, 40 planes in their fleet?

 

[shadron]

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3. Amsterdam security is 100x better than any US airport. How often I discovered after arriving on a flight from the US that I forgot to put my Swiss Army knife or sometimes a camping set with spoon, fork and knife in my check-in luggage instead of my hand luggage....

You mean that Holland's national security theatre is 100x better than the USA's? Must be the culture.

 

[Ootsruoypu]

You mean that Holland's national security theatre is 100x better than the USA's? Must be the culture.

Very sensitive, I see.....

There are indeed instances that something happens to be better elsewhere than in G*d bless America. I know it can hurt, but truly, it's possible...

It's disturbing for 95.5% of the world's population to hear those perpetual slogans that the USA is the greatest and best place on earth.
In many statistics, from economics [sic] to health care, from teenage pregnancy rates to the high prison population, from the extremely high criminal crime rate to international donations, from energy waste to food waste, from drug addiction to the great divide between poor and rich: the US of A doesn't really score so well.

So, yes: the quality of security at US Airports is dismal. Security personnel are hardly focused on their jobs, more interested in their nails and chatting with colleagues. Their training is minimal, and the job requirements the same as for a hamburger flipper at MacDo.
All the US can do is react AFTER something has happened already (as 5-6 times after earlier incidents), and in such a manner that it looks more like panic than anything else.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

the great majority of Europeans I have met in my many travels, actually have respected Americans and America.

but then there was this one Dutch girl in Montreal, who hated Americans...but ended up screwing the first horny soul she could find.

Jesus. Can we not have *one* thread without bringing up Tiger Woods?

 

[Thunder]

Jesus. Can we not have *one* thread without bringing up Tiger Woods?

Oh no you didn't!!!!!

 

[patchbunny]

Black powder isn't considered an explosive.

Actually, it is. It fits into the category of Low Explosives.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

How did a guy get ANY kind of incendiaries past security? Does Europe give a damn? What's up? Or has the war on terrorism become a US only problem?

Is that why a Dutch man tackled him to the ground whilst the terrorist was on fire?

 

[portlandatheist]

Just an update:
Al Qaeda takes responsibility and

AbdulMutallab's family said Monday it had told authorities about his "out of character" behavior and hoped that authorities would intervene.

Link
Hey 9/11 Investigator, you should let his own family know that he was innocent and that Japser was a "fool" as you say.

 

[egslim]

Scarey part of this is that it is undectable to the typical bom,b-sniffer, be it a dog or spectrometer. As for trhose who keep shrieking about racial profiling being the answer, how many black dudes are going to get onto a USA-bound aircraft in Lagos, out of a hundred passengers?

That's the crux of the matter. With the immense volume of worldwide airline traffic, it's impossible to secure effectively against people who use ingenuity and self-sacrifice.

And if you're a foreigner wanting to attack the US, then the most convenient time to do so is on your flight to the US. Entering the US first and staying there before taking your final flight is an unnecessary risk.

So we'll forever be stuck with dumb Americans blaming the rest of the world.

 

[rwguinn]

That's the crux of the matter. With the immense volume of worldwide airline traffic, it's impossible to secure effectively against people who use ingenuity and self-sacrifice.

And if you're a foreigner wanting to attack the US, then the most convenient time to do so is on your flight to the US. Entering the US first and staying there before taking your final flight is an unnecessary risk.

So we'll forever be stuck with dumb Americans blaming the rest of the world.

Turn about is fair play?
on context:
It appears that there is sufficient fault to spread the blame everywhere on this little fiasco. Warnings ignored/shoved into bureaucratic holes, "watch Lists" ignored, inadequate screenings, all that.
I mean--no checked bags, no carry-on, one way... All that SHOULD trigger some sort of alert, no?
ETA-and since you used "dumb", which means "incapable of intelligent speech", I can only assume you mean it as a synonym for stupid. Since I am the OP here, are you talking to me?

 

[Corsair 115]

TIt appears that there is sufficient fault to spread the blame everywhere on this little fiasco. Warnings ignored/shoved into bureaucratic holes, "watch Lists" ignored, inadequate screenings, all that.
I mean--no checked bags, no carry-on, one way... All that SHOULD trigger some sort of alert, no?

The above would appear to be at odds with the title of the thread.

 

[rwguinn]

The above would appear to be at odds with the title of the thread.

So you have never revised a hypothesis when additional information comes to light?
Ok-if that's the way you wanna be, so be it. I personally don't give a damn about the rest of the world, then. Nuke 'em all

 

[funk de fino]

Or like the country, after 19 people boarded 4 different airplanes and hijacked them, and security measures put in place everywhere, that allowed a guy with a bomb to board and try to blow it up mid-Atlantic...
Get off your ****ing European Superiority complex. I asked a question. Is a civil, thought-out discussion beyond you ******** over there? Or is it all just the USA's fault, and you want to make sure we know?

Clueless then eh? Ever flown through Schipol?