Barry Jenning's death

RedIbis said:
Thanks for serving up a series of softballs.
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Well, you know, when tossing to junior leaguers, that's all that's permitted. Still, you manage to swing and miss every time.
 
RedIbis said:
I think I got it now. A subset of Truthers are ghouls.
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Red;

Anyone who starts to delve into the personal and private information surrounding a persons death simply because they are "suspicious" without any evidence but a statement he made that incriminates no one except in the minds of the delusional, is Ghoulish.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Red;

Anyone who starts to delve into the personal and private information surrounding a persons death simply because they are "suspicious" without any evidence but a statement he made that incriminates no one except in the minds of the delusional, is Ghoulish.

TAM:)
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And by anyone you mean Truthers. See how the logic of your labeling fails.
 
RedIbis said:
And by anyone you mean Truthers. See how the logic of your labeling fails.
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Truthers ARE ghoulish! You guys always ask everyone: "Where's the pictures of the bodies from Flight 93/77?"

Why do you Truthers want to look at people who were murdered by Terrorists on 9/11?

Leave the people who died alone!
 
RedIbis said:
And by anyone you mean Truthers. See how the logic of your labeling fails.
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You could stop putting words in my mouth.

Many truthers do behave as I described, and they are Ghoulish for it. I did not say ALL or ONLY truthers behave in such a manner, but right now we are speaking of a truther and his behaviour concerning a person who was, albeit remotely, connected to their movement and theories.

Do you think the persistent inquiry into this poor man's death by unrelated, unconnected strangers is valid? If so, please elaborate.

TAM:)
 
I would like to see pictures of the dead body of dead truther, Dan Wallace. I have reason to believe he was murdered by the Truth Movement, for not being Truthy enough. Until I see pictures of his body, without any bullet holes or blunt force trauma, its only logical that I go with my assumption that he was indeed murdered by his fellow truthers.

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oh, wait, did his family announce the actual cause of death yet??? no?

how innnnnnnteresting.
 
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No red.

all truthers are ghouls
a subset have delusions of adequecy

and then there is you.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Why do you care Red, what people who you don't even know think about you or say about you on anonymous Internet forum?
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I don't personally care at all. My only purpose is to highlight a very poor debate tactic. It doesn't do anyone any good to so persistently employ a pejorative.

See the post above mine.
 
RedIbis said:
I don't personally care at all. My only purpose is to highlight a very poor debate tactic. It doesn't do anyone any good to so persistently employ a pejorative.

See the post above mine.
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where is the debate?

This is a skeptics forum, not exclusively a debating forum. We have discussions, we joke a little, all sorts of things. Personally, IMO there is nothing to debate in relation to Barry Jennings.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
where is the debate?

This is a skeptics forum, not exclusively a debating forum. We have discussions, we joke a little, all sorts of things. Personally, IMO there is nothing to debate in relation to Barry Jennings.

TAM:)
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We might agree on that. We can, however, let his record stand and leave his family alone. His descriptions are now part of the larger record. They in themselves don't prove anything, just one man's experiences.

What I do take issue with is that whenever someone does something untoward when trying to investigate the events of 9/11, they are labeled, and therefore associated with anyone else who questions 9/11.

This has been my point all along. You have to admit that Twoofer, Truther, etc are thrown around here much too loosely, soley for the purpose of guilt by association. If you were to lose the ability to employ that pejorative, you would have to see your opponents as individuals, actual people and not be able to so easily depersonalize the situation.
 
RedIbis said:
This has been my point all along. You have to admit that Twoofer, Truther, etc are thrown around here much too loosely, soley for the purpose of guilt by association. If you were to lose the ability to employ that pejorative, you would have to see your opponents as individuals, actual people and not be able to so easily depersonalize the situation.
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We would have to see the opponents as individuals who SHARE THE SAME/SIMILAR VIEWS AS OTHERS... hence the ability to GROUP them together.

Is it pigeonholing? Yup... walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck it is a duck usually.

does it paint with a very broad brush? Yup. But when 95% of the truthers who come here spew the EXACT same crap, then it is an appropriate brush to paint with.

Less than 5% of the truthers who are here have demonstrated ANY research related skills, have demonstrated decent reading for comprehension questions, and provided any basis for their "JAQ'ing" around.
 
TruthersLie said:
We would have to see the opponents as individuals who SHARE THE SAME/SIMILAR VIEWS AS OTHERS... hence the ability to GROUP them together.
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But they don't all share the same views, so then you don't have the ability to group them together.
 
Red.

If you believe that the US government was responsible for the deaths of 3,000 individuals either through LIHOP or even worse MIHOP, then you can be labeled and grouped with other individuals who share those views.

Within the truther umbrella you have no planers, CD advocates, thermite, nanothermite and DEW.

You are still falling under the umbrella of a truther because you share the similar starting point.

Now if you have specific EVIDENCE to support your position other than badly datamined quotes, reading into statements or other BS please feel free to present it. So far, it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, and it sure as hell smells like a duck.
 
timmyg said:
if he died from breathing in toxic vapours surely they'd be no problem in us knowing this? don't any of you find it just a little bit strange that no official explaination has been given for his death? why do you all seem to find the idea of people wanting to know why he died so offensive?
this guy worked in emergency management, he worked for the government .. surely his death would be newsworthy?
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Newsworthy? Yes. Do we need the intimate details? No. Its none of our damn business.

Ever heard of patient privacy??
 
Brainache said:
I recall someone here saying that WTC7 was used as a temporary morgue on the morning of 9/11. That the bodies Mr Jennings was stepping over were those of people who had died before the towers collapsed and had been placed there by rescue workers.

I don't remember who said it or if they had a source for this info, does anyone else know anything about this? Tri? Gravy? Alt.F4?
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I don't recall there being a temp morgue at 7WTC, but I do know that later on in the day, one was set up at the Banks Brothers' building.
 
triforcharity said:
I don't recall there being a temp morgue at 7WTC, but I do know that later on in the day, one was set up at the Banks Brothers' building.
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I think they meant "triage area" instead of morgue. I remember reading that up until the first tower collapse the lobby of WTC 7 was being used as such.
 
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