Barry Jenning's death

I will admit I like reminding the more notable posters that they rely on a cheap rhetorical tactic that exposes the weakness of their discourse. It is entertaining on some level.

Well I guess after having over eight years and coming up with absolutely nothing it's not suprising that truthers would resort to weak discourse to prove an inside job.

Good luck with that for the next eight.
 
It doesn't matter the slightest bit what anyone here thinks about what Barry Jennings said. He said what he said, everyone in the world was free to see the video and hear the interview.

And what came of it?

Nothing.
well he is dead now. and without explanation it would appear. I admit there's no ground to conclude anything from that. I just find it suspicious. And I don't see why having that opinion is so incredibly disgusting.

So nothing has come of it? what do you mean by that? What has to happen for someones testimony to mean something? His testimony was in direct contradiction to the official story. He apparently recieved threats (and I have no reason to think the reports of these threats were fabricated) and his the implication of his story bizarrely changed during the editing of a bbc documentary.. A documentary which found the need to poke fun at dylan avery, rather than covering jennings testimony properly.
I find all these things very interesting. Especially given the 'small probability of occurance' of wtc7s collapse, Silverstien's pull it quote coupled with his refusal to name the fire department commander he spoke to (as well as eleborate on the pull it quote at all)... not to mention the remarkable video footage of wtc7s collapse... etc...

Whether you want to draw conclusions from all this is by the by. I don't see why it's such a crime to discuss it.

If i'm to be convinced wtc7 collapsed due to fire, I would like to have an explanation as to what caused the massive explosions Jennings experienced in wtc7. If there's an innocent explanation, why did the BBC feel the need to edit what he said and ridicule the idea that there were explosions prior to the twin towers collapse?


quite a few of the responses on this subject (particulary Alt-f) appear to be bascially saying
"ha. we've won and you've lost because nothing has happened and NIST still says it was fire that brought the building down! so it doesn't matter what anyone else says"
I'm just trying to get my head round your retort in the context of a critical discussion.
 
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So nothing has come of it? what do you mean by that? What has to happen for someones testimony to mean something?

What I mean is that if his interview was of the significance you think, why didn't it launch a new investigation? Why didn't it get the mainstream media interested?

His testimony was in direct contradiction to the official story.

Yes, he said there were dead bodies in WTC 7. No wonder his interview was not taken seriously.

He apparently recieved threats (and I have no reason to think the reports of these threats were fabricated)

Evidence?

If i'm to be convinced wtc7 collapsed due to fire, I would like to have an explanation as to what caused the massive explosions Jennings experienced in wtc7. If there's an innocent explanation, why did the BBC feel the need to edit what he said and ridicule the idea that there were explosions prior to the twin towers collapse?

You should ask the BBC. In fact you are perfectly free to conduct your own investigation into anything involving 9/11 if the answers you get on the Internet don't satisfy you.
 
What I mean is that if his interview was of the significance you think, why didn't it launch a new investigation? Why didn't it get the mainstream media interested?



Yes, he said there were dead bodies in WTC 7. No wonder his interview was not taken seriously.



Evidence?



You should ask the BBC. In fact you are perfectly free to conduct your own investigation into anything involving 9/11 if the answers you get on the Internet don't satisfy you.

Why didn't it launch a new investigation?! well yes, why didn't it? thats a good question. While we're at it, why didn't the admission from the 9/11 commissions own chairman that there was a cover up and the commission was set up to fail, launch a new investigation?
maybe because the government doesn't want one? that's one possibility.

'he said there were dead bodies'
Are you implying Barry Jennings was mentally unstable? why does the fact he said he felt like he was stepping on bodies mean we should ignore what he said?
 
While we're at it, why didn't the admission from the 9/11 commissions own chairman that there was a cover up and the commission was set up to fail, launch a new investigation?

Have you read "Without Precedent - The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission" by Kean & Hamilton? Don't rely on truthers, read it for yourself:

"What we could not have anticipated were the remarkable people and circumstances that would coalesce with and around the 9/11 Commission over the coming twenty months to enable our succes."

and...

"The White House agreed to provide an additional $9 million for the commission in the National Foreign Intelligence Program. The Congress stepped in and insisted it would provide the increase of $11 million. What had been a struggle to withhold money had become a virtuous competition over who could give it to us first. Ultimately, we recieved the funding from Congress, and it proved sufficient to cover the entire life of the commission - we even ended up giving $1.4 million back at the end of out work."

Of course you could try to arrange an interview with Mr. Keane and Mr. Hamilton if you're not satified with their answers.

Are you implying Barry Jennings was mentally unstable? why does the fact he said he felt like he was stepping on bodies mean we should ignore what he said?

No, I'm not implying he was mentally unstable. He told Dylan Avery, "The firefighter who took us down kept saying do not look down. And I kept saying why? He said do not look down. And we're stepping over people and you know you could feel when you're stepping over people."

Make of it what you will.
 
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No, he said in his own words that he does not believe bombs took down the towers and told Dylan to screw off. It's the prime reason why the interview didn't make it to LC:FC

But when barry died his refusal to be in loose change an american coup didn't matter to dylan anymore so dylan has barry jennings on for 7 mins in american coup.



starting at 2.10 mins.
 
well he is dead now. and without explanation it would appear.

Why do you need an explanation? Go look at an obituary listing in your newspaper. Do they list of the cause of death?

No.

So the thousands of people who die everyday, DO you know exactly how each of them died?

No.

So what right do you have to know the explanation of one person's death yet will ignore the THOUSANDS of others who died the same day that Barry Jennings died.

Why aren't you demanding to get an explanation to their deaths?
 
Why didn't it launch a new investigation?! well yes, why didn't it? thats a good question. While we're at it, why didn't the admission from the 9/11 commissions own chairman that there was a cover up and the commission was set up to fail, launch a new investigation?
maybe because the government doesn't want one? that's one possibility.

This is EXACTLY what we mean when we say you are DATAMINING. You might want to go and LOOK at the FULL statements of the people you are datamining.

They do NOT support the idea that it was an inside job. They do NOT support the idea that it WASN'T 19 terrorists.

They think that people lied to cover their asses for the mistakes which were made. It does NOT change the FACT that 19 hijackers took over 4 jets and crashed them into 3 buildings and a field in pennslyvania.

LOOK UP THE FULL QUOTES.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080623194035/http://www.cbc.ca/sunday/911hamilton.html

What does he say about "set up to fail?"
Solomon: And you know, when you.. You've spoken with many of the witnesses, your Commission heard testimony from all sorts of different people. So when you hear these kind of ongoing allegations that there was conflicting reports of the witnesses; that the FBI confiscated tapes from the gas station across the road, that supposedly saw it within a day of it; that some of those witnesses disappeared.. what do you make of those kind of...

Hamilton: I don’t believe for a minute that we got everything right. We wrote a first draft of history.
We wrote it under a lot of time pressure, and we sorted through the evidence as best we could.

Now, it would be really rather remarkable if we got everything right. So far, of the things that have been brought up challenging the report, to my knowledge, we have more credibility than the challenger. But I would not for a moment want to suggest that that’s always true, either in the past or in the future. People will be investigating 9/11 for the next hundred years in this country, and they’re going to find out some things that we missed here.

So I don’t automatically reject all the evidence you cite. It may be we missed it, it may be we ignored it when we shouldn’t have - I don’t think we did, but it's possible.

Solomon: You write.. the first chapter of the book is 'the Commission was set up to fail.' - my goodness, for the critics - who suggest that it was indeed set up to fail as some kind of obfuscation - you certainly dangled a juicy piece of bait out there in the river. Why do you think you were set up to fail?

Hamilton: Well, for a number of reasons: Tom Kean and I were substitutes - Henry Kissinger and George Mitchell were the first choices; we got started late; we had a very short time frame - indeed, we had to get it extended; we did not have enough money - 3 million dollars to conduct an extensive investigation. We needed more, we got more, but it took us a while to get it.

We had a lot of skeptics out there, who really did not want the Commission formed. Politicians don’t like somebody looking back to see if they made a mistake.
The Commission had to report right, just a few days before the Democratic National Convention met, in other words, right in the middle of a political campaign. We had a lot of people strongly opposed to what we did. We had a lot of trouble getting access to documents and to people. We knew the history of commissions; the history of commissions were they.. nobody paid much attention to 'em.

So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail. We decided that if we were going to have any success, we had to have a unanimous report, otherwise the Commission report would simply be

READ THE FULL ****ING QUOTES. Stop datamining and being a putz.

'he said there were dead bodies'
Are you implying Barry Jennings was mentally unstable? why does the fact he said he felt like he was stepping on bodies mean we should ignore what he said?

No we are saying that you selectively choose what to present. He was wrong, there were NO dead bodies in wtc7... could he have been mistaken about his timeline?

alienentity has a GREAT video which reconciles Barry Jennings testimony with the events that happened.

Are you going to try the datamined 118 firefighter explosions too now? REally? Truely? Do 5 minutes of REAL research.
 
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alienentity has a GREAT video which reconciles Barry Jennings testimony with the events that happened.

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Had, Until Truthers had it removed for TOS violation. Probably the same reason Mark Roberts "WTC not a demolition" was removed. Truthers can't handle the truth. That's why it's a disinfo war. Silencing opposition has not worked out for them though.
 
I will admit I like reminding the more notable posters that they rely on a cheap rhetorical tactic that exposes the weakness of their discourse. It is entertaining on some level.

this particular topic deserves no discourse. It deserves to be put to bed.

TAM
 
well he is dead now. and without explanation it would appear. I admit there's no ground to conclude anything from that. I just find it suspicious. And I don't see why having that opinion is so incredibly disgusting.

1. He is dead. That is one thing you have right.
2. Without an explanation to you, or the public at large, perhaps...so what? If my cousin dies tomorrow of a heart attack, do you think I owe the public an explanation? Do you think it then needs to be available on the internetz or the evening paper for it to prove its innocence? Grow up.
3. Suspicion in and of itself is not disgusting. It is the implied "conspiracy" behind your suspicion. That he was somehow taken out by big bad NWO operatives to silence him. You can play coy and innocent here all you want, but we know what you are hinting at...this is not "amazon.com" forum.

So nothing has come of it? what do you mean by that? What has to happen for someones testimony to mean something? His testimony was in direct contradiction to the official story. He apparently recieved threats (and I have no reason to think the reports of these threats were fabricated) and his the implication of his story bizarrely changed during the editing of a bbc documentary.. A documentary which found the need to poke fun at dylan avery, rather than covering jennings testimony properly.

1. Can you be specific wrt these alleged threats? Do you, or any truther know if such threats actually occurred? If so, who made them? Let me guess, some unnamed caller? Please. Give me one reason I should believe these alleged threats WERE NOT fabricated.

2. Dylan and his crew BEG mockery, trust me, it wasn't a stretch for the documentary to do so.

I find all these things very interesting. Especially given the 'small probability of occurance' of wtc7s collapse, Silverstien's pull it quote coupled with his refusal to name the fire department commander he spoke to (as well as eleborate on the pull it quote at all)... not to mention the remarkable video footage of wtc7s collapse... etc...

1. Small probability? based on what? Precedent? give me a break. The situation was unique in many respects, making precedent irrelevant.

2. Silverstein's quote. Really? 2009 and you are pulling out that sorry ass piece of weak debunked rubbish? really?

Whether you want to draw conclusions from all this is by the by. I don't see why it's such a crime to discuss it.

It is not a crime. It is extremely annoying however, to discuss certain elements of this worn out dead horse of a topic. It makes it equally repulsive, to have you bring up the Jennings death.

If i'm to be convinced wtc7 collapsed due to fire, I would like to have an explanation as to what caused the massive explosions Jennings experienced in wtc7. If there's an innocent explanation, why did the BBC feel the need to edit what he said and ridicule the idea that there were explosions prior to the twin towers collapse?

So who at the BBC is in on it, enough to edit Jennings "ground breaking" testimony?

I would wager large sums of money, that if Jennings himself came back from the dead, and told you that he was mistaken about the times of the explosions, your reply would not be,

"ok, now I am convinced.", but would be something along the lines of,

"Yah sure. Now I can see the NWO got to you, and you are recanting your story to protect yourself." please.

quite a few of the responses on this subject (particulary Alt-f) appear to be bascially saying
"ha. we've won and you've lost because nothing has happened and NIST still says it was fire that brought the building down! so it doesn't matter what anyone else says"
I'm just trying to get my head round your retort in the context of a critical discussion.

To have a "critical" discussion, both parties must be capable of "critical" thought and logical analysis. You seem incapable of either, so your "critical" discussion cannot occur.

TAM:)
 
Why do you need an explanation? Go look at an obituary listing in your newspaper. Do they list of the cause of death?

No.

So the thousands of people who die everyday, DO you know exactly how each of them died?

No.

So what right do you have to know the explanation of one person's death yet will ignore the THOUSANDS of others who died the same day that Barry Jennings died.

Why aren't you demanding to get an explanation to their deaths?


Exactly!! Move along....nothing to see here....Maybe if Jennings had kept his mouth shut he'd still be alive....I think we should be more like the critical thinking skeptics like most of our JREF brethren. Trust your government and news agencies. And stay out of trouble. Thank you..
 
Exactly!! Move along....nothing to see here....Maybe if Jennings had kept his mouth shut he'd still be alive....I think we should be more like the critical thinking skeptics like most of our JREF brethren. Trust your government and news agencies. And stay out of trouble. Thank you..

Hey JMH, did the "Government" kill my grandfather 7 yrs. ago when I saw him die in front of my eyes at the hospital?

Leave Barry Jennings alone!
 
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Exactly!! Move along....nothing to see here....Maybe if Jennings had kept his mouth shut he'd still be alive....I think we should be more like the critical thinking skeptics like most of our JREF brethren. Trust your government and news agencies. And stay out of trouble. Thank you..

right. cause in the world of 9-11 truth, death by natural causes simply does not exist.

Jennings was too dangerous to the NWO, so we had him killed. riiiight.

nice strawman argument, by the way.

when is that revolution gonna start? next year maybe?

should i run for the hills??

:)
 
In the jref forum I'm a truther
Be patient, when you find your first 9/11 fact you can start that Fact Movement you dream about, and we'll call you a Facter just like you want!

So how's that search for your first 9/11 fact coming Red?
 

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