Libertarians and Climate Change

[leftysergeant]

Let me see: they are extinct? Is that where you are headed?

All the pink salmon spawn at the same time. Lose one run and they are all gone.

Tipping points happen for a lot of reasons, see cod, which has happened, and Bluefin Tuna, which hasn't, yet, but probably will. Neither of them are the consequence of climate change.

The reason for the collapse of the cod was that some idiot decided that the fishing industry needed a bigger voice in fisheries management. "The fisheries industry would not put itself out of business by destroying fish stocks, right?"
The cod are gone because of a LACK of government. Take that, Kevin and Beerina. History is a boot toe to your crotch.

 

[kevinquinnyo]

First of all, she didn't say "the internet," and second of all, the government did not "invent the internet," despite what Dr. Kitten will tell you.

There were already several networks in place at the time that DARPA contracted out the standardization of TCP/IP. It's not inconceivable by any stretch that "a network of computers able to communicate with each other and send data" would be basically the same thing with or without TCP/IP standardization.

 

[drkitten]

First of all, she didn't say "the internet," and second of all, the government did not "invent the internet," despite what Dr. Kitten will tell you.

There were already several networks in place at the time that DARPA contracted out the standardization of TCP/IP.

Wow. Talk about counterfactual history.....

DARPA didn't "contract out the standardization of TCP/IP." ARPA (not DARPA, which didn't exist at the time) designed, built, and implemented the thing.

Every line of code that went into TCP/IP was paid for by ARPA, and ARPANET was the first large-scale packet-switched network. Only packet-switching made the interoperability of TCP/IP possible.

And of course, packet-switching itself was designed, built, and implemented by government money (in this case, the Air Force via RAND corporation's Paul Baran.

So,.... no. The government did create the Internet, all your incorrect libertopian protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.

 

[GreyICE]

Kevin, the suggestion that you use your theories to find your facts was a rhetorical joke about certain people's apparent though process, and the fact that theories are best assembled by observation of fact.

It wasn't meant to be a modus operandi.

 

[leftysergeant]

First of all, she didn't say "the internet," and second of all, the government did not "invent the internet," despite what Dr. Kitten will tell you.

There were already several networks in place at the time that DARPA contracted out the standardization of TCP/IP. It's not inconceivable by any stretch that "a network of computers able to communicate with each other and send data" would be basically the same thing with or without TCP/IP standardization.

You're still stuck with the fact that government had to take the initiative to get the internet rolling in the direction it took, just as government had to subsidize the railroads to get them to run lines out west.

Then the greedy bastards decided that they had done it themselves and that government had no business telling them what to do.

Libertarianism is a symptom of long-term memory deficiet.