Who's really faking evidence?

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One of the most common things among all conspiracy theories, and really one of many hypocracies, is that they always claim that the government has faked evidence. With no real proof of conspiracy, they often fake evidence themselves. Even the JFK theories has faked evidence
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bogus.htm

Now, I'm debating this idiot on you tube right now, and I told him about the real faked evidence. As usual he thinks I'm full of you know what. I told him about the fake molten steel photo, Clunkity klunk herself putting sounds of explosions into her "documentary" and I was on 9/11 Guide and read about the roof fire. I only put up this thread to find out if there is more faked evidence by members of the "truth" camp. Links would be helpful so thanks. That way I can shut this dude up.
 
Theres another video with faked explosion sounds but I dont know what the origin is.

To me though theres a fine line between outright fraud and lies, of which theres a lot of blatent ones in the truth movement.

For example Alex Jones using the clip from American Rebuilds where they show the clip of someone saying "we're getting ready to pull building 6" in order to prove "pull it" means to put explosives in he building, but straight after the part where he stopped the video they say they used cables to literally pull it down and earlier on they said they couldnt use explosives to demolish the other WTC buildings as it was too risky for workers to go in and set the charges.

Or when the truth movemenht use videos of WTC7 with the sound off, or they snip the penthouse collapse. When I found the original video I thought it was a fake, I just hadn't seen it before!

See, to me thats basically fraudulent as well.
 
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There is a faked video of flames on the WTC roof....I had a thread about that here a few years ago.

Another fake video made by no-planers is of the WTC2 crash with the plane edited out.
 
What about fake testimony?

Thomas Kean, the head of the 9/11 Commission, concurred: "We to this day don’t know why NORAD told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth."
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You got any problems with that?
 
The picture of some firemen crouching around what is claimed to be molten steel is a photoshopped screen grab from Naudet's 9/11 film. In the film it is obvious that what is supposed to be hot is really work lights and the firemen are trying to rescue someone.

I believe Prof. Jones originated the picture.
 
Luntoc said:
One of the most common things among all conspiracy theories, and really one of many hypocracies, is that they always claim that the government has faked evidence. With no real proof of conspiracy, they often fake evidence themselves. Even the JFK theories has faked evidence
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bogus.htm

Now, I'm debating this idiot on you tube right now, and I told him about the real faked evidence. As usual he thinks I'm full of you know what. I told him about the fake molten steel photo, Clunkity klunk herself putting sounds of explosions into her "documentary" and I was on 9/11 Guide and read about the roof fire. I only put up this thread to find out if there is more faked evidence by members of the "truth" camp. Links would be helpful so thanks. That way I can shut this dude up.
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Did you only want to see manipulated video that you think is from the truth Movement or were you also lookng for faked video/audio from the goverment side ?
 
bill smith said:
Did you only want to see manipulated video that you think is from the truth Movement or were you also lookng for faked video/audio from the goverment side ?
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Bill,

Can you explain why Truthers use Windows Movie Maker to edit in sounds to videos or cut complete sections out of original footage that was taken on 9/11?

If you can't explain, then we know the truth.
 
BigAl said:
The picture of some firemen crouching around what is claimed to be molten steel is a photoshopped screen grab from Naudet's 9/11 film. In the film it is obvious that what is supposed to be hot is really work lights and the firemen are trying to rescue someone.

I believe Prof. Jones originated the picture.
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I believe he claims one of his underlings snagged it from a newspaper or something, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was a CYA Maneuver™.
 
bill smith said:
Did you only want to see manipulated video that you think is from the truth Movement or were you also lookng for faked video/audio from the goverment side ?
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Any faked evidence. Anything. It doesn't matter. That way I can rub it in this idiots nose. He keeps sending me messages about me being a Bush lover (Which I'm not I've hated him since he was part of my baseball team, the Texas Rangers). Don't ask me why, but there was always something about him that really irritated the hell out of me.
 
BigAl said:
The picture of some firemen crouching around what is claimed to be molten steel is a photoshopped screen grab from Naudet's 9/11 film. In the film it is obvious that what is supposed to be hot is really work lights and the firemen are trying to rescue someone.

I believe Prof. Jones originated the picture.
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Reality
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I always love bringing this up, so far I have seen nothing that the Truthers have proven to be faked evidence and yet they do it all the time.

Algebra, BS--don't you guys find this a little embarrassing?

I'll check out the quote you posted Algebra but it doesn't even look that ground breaking and I'm sorry but since it seems to be the OP of the TM to take things out of context, it wouldn't surprise me if that were the case in this example.

PS thanks Dr Wood for the photos. You guys should just stick to debunking the other faction of the TM instead of talking about space beam weapons.
Also, that is a REALLY good photograph. I need to look up that photographer.
 
knife fight colobus said:
I always love bringing this up, so far I have seen nothing that the Truthers have proven to be faked evidence and yet they do it all the time.
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This is something Gage said about the explosions on videos. There are some with explosions and some without and some of the videos appear to have been manipulated. I suppose he is right, only he didn't mention that it was the Truther videos that had been manipulated. Does anyone have any video clips of explosions dubbed on?
 
angrysoba said:
This is something Gage said about the explosions on videos. There are some with explosions and some without and some of the videos appear to have been manipulated. I suppose he is right, only he didn't mention that it was the Truther videos that had been manipulated. Does anyone have any video clips of explosions dubbed on?
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There is one posted in the Richard Gage explosive contradictions thread.

Yeah when I heard him say that some videos appear to be manipulated I got annoyed. What videos? Only the videos that Truthers put out have been manipulated!

I want to see a 911 video that has been manipulated and hasn't been a product of the Truth Movement.
 
Luntoc said:
Any faked evidence. Anything. It doesn't matter. That way I can rub it in this idiots nose. He keeps sending me messages about me being a Bush lover (Which I'm not I've hated him since he was part of my baseball team, the Texas Rangers). Don't ask me why, but there was always something about him that really irritated the hell out of me.
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Here is a video where he audio was tampered with. I assume the media did it as part of their tryst with the government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsoWbX6hCYk&NR=1 Authentic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1LdQ6DGhpo Fake
 
knife fight colobus said:
Jones'
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Reality
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I always love bringing this up, so far I have seen nothing that the Truthers have proven to be faked evidence and yet they do it all the time.

Algebra, BS--don't you guys find this a little embarrassing?

I'll check out the quote you posted Algebra but it doesn't even look that ground breaking and I'm sorry but since it seems to be the OP of the TM to take things out of context, it wouldn't surprise me if that were the case in this example.

PS thanks Dr Wood for the photos. You guys should just stick to debunking the other faction of the TM instead of talking about space beam weapons.
Also, that is a REALLY good photograph. I need to look up that photographer.
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Is this one a fake ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EuWmvYMk2s
 
bill smith said:
Sure it is. Just sunlight...
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Or the video shows a massive pool of molten metal that looks like a rectangle of light on the ground that then on the right shows buldings covered in molten metal!! :rolleyes:

How would all that metal stay molten anyway Bill? No kind of thermite could do it. Guess it must be the goverments dark magic spellz!
 
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